It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty

The thing is, the socialism phobia will come back to haunt him, all it will take is an outbreak of a sufficiently contagious disease.

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Sadly, medical prices are not posted like prices for other goods and services are.

Sadly, our health "insurance" scheme teaches away from the consumer being price conscious.

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ustry. The U.S. needs to move to single-payer Medicare for all.

It's the only way I see costs coming down. Plenty of my Trump loving buddies feel the same. Once the R's are done f'ing around with O-care repeal, maybe we can all get together and talk about costs. (We need a bipartisan 'something' in this country... hey after that maybe we can raise the SS retirement age.. I know just dreaming.)

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lity and/or unavailability, now apply to the bulk of the population. Your c ongressional leaders in Washington don't believe in anything, all they know is lining their pockets and taking kickbacks.

in Florida beyond looking at the kind of abject scum you pathetic riffraff send to Congress. Rubio and Wasserman-Schultz- corrupt and incompetent tra sh people.

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From government efficiency?

Costs will come down when the people who pass laws stop taking money from the people who profit off the existing system.

There are a few simple things that would make health care more affordable and more available in the USA. The ACA did nithing to advance those things; quite the opposite.

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ustry. The U.S. needs to move to single-payer Medicare for all.

It's not silly out all. The record on Medicare administration is low single

-digit government overhead, whereas the private industry overhead is double digit not less than 25%- they have a 25% ACA cap and now it turns out they have additional means of profit by reclassification of expenses. Private i ndustry is not competitive. Additionally the traditional insurance model of poisson distributed payout does not work for modern health care and they k now it. The payout for each individual is a deterministic burden especially with requirements for screening. The only way the industry can break even, forget about profit, is to drop coverage, and that's exactly what they're doing. Health insurance plans without coverage or wih exorbitantly high ded uctibles ( an indirect method of dropping coverage ) is no insurance at all . Private insurance can still exist as a supplemental market, but the big m oney will be gone, They know it's inevitable, it's all a matter of pushing the population to the breaking point. Don't be around when that happens.

lity and/or unavailability, now apply to the bulk of the population. Your c ongressional leaders in Washington don't believe in anything, all they know is lining their pockets and taking kickbacks.

Those worthless bastards need a lesson on who's working for who. Last time I checked, a representative was a position subordinate to the constituency they represent. No one elected them to go their own way, especially when it means lining their pockets at others' expense. Quite a few of the sleaze c an't even face the music at their phony little town hall meetings. They don 't like the idea that people hate their guts and disrespect them. And this applies to both party politicians. That godammed piece of garbage Dianne Fe instein, shaking jittering lifelong shill, should have retired 20 years ago . She (an it actually) didn't hold up real well at her last town hall, peop le really hate her (it). She definitely needs to go.

in Florida beyond looking at the kind of abject scum you pathetic riffraff send to Congress. Rubio and Wasserman-Schultz- corrupt and incompetent tra sh people.

g-accounts/

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DiFi was a great mayor and, as far as I can tell, has always acted in a selfless and dedicated manner. Her lefty instincints are a bit disconnected from reality, but she is a decent and thoughtful person.

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That Glitch should have been caught by some of those banks.

I have went passed my, "I can be bought number". The difference between my policy and a Subsidized ACA policy is now $8,897. If changes are not made by November, I'll sign on to collect the $15,144 subsidy the hard working taxpayers have decided they want to pay me. I guess it's my good character :-) My cost will drop from $936 per month to 194.60 per month. This is based on last years numbers. That policy is an HSA compliant policy, so I'll still be able to put $7,750 into an HSA account and knock $1,162 of my tax bill.

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I read the article, it is very interesting and points out how big savings in healthcare could be made. Problem is it was written 8 years ago, and our problems have only increased. Mikek

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ustry. The U.S. needs to move to single-payer Medicare for all. The exact s ame historical reasons for instituting Medicare, unaffordability and/or una vailability, now apply to the bulk of the population. Your congressional le aders in Washington don't believe in anything, all they know is lining thei r pockets and taking kickbacks. Nothing more needs to be said about the ign orant and idiotic electorate in Florida beyond looking at the kind of abjec t scum you pathetic riffraff send to Congress. Rubio and Wasserman-Schultz- corrupt and incompetent trash people.

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GOP House is repealing all that right now, kiss your subsidies good bye.

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When that family only makes a smidgen more money they will be hit with the full brunt of sky-high non-subsidized premiums. The subsidy cut-off is "digital". At least that is how it is in California. I personally met people who, therefore, have elected to be under- or unemployed. Because with Obamacare working can be punished. Meshugginah.

Problem is, now that tens of millions of people got that "free stuff" they feel entitled and do not want to give up the free stuff. Even in Rep districts. Obamacare is a gigantic welfare program that realistically cannot be rolled back anymore.

This is in large part the mechanism how the Roman Empire came to grief. The dole. Leftist politicians do not learn from history or have their heads in the sand about it.

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And don't forget all the business's that stay under 50 employees and all the employees that are kept a 28 hours to eliminate benefits. Mikek

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Meshuggah the inventors of "Djent", I like 'em

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No drug companies, doctors and insurance all get a hair cut. Which means rationed care, and end of life decisions.

Agreed no one is working to get costs down. It's depressing.

George H.

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Most of an insurance company's bureaucracy is to verify and process claims, in order to make sure claims and payments are warranted.

That is, to control costs. And that cost-control process is what annoys us most about them, usually--either the tedious nature of the process itself, or getting refused.

But it's an essential function--when a third-party is paying your medical bills, it's not privy to the details of the transaction (or able to verify the legitimacy of your claim), unless it collects the data somehow.

Replacing an insurance company's bureaucracy with a federal Borg makes that worse. The Borg a) earns twice as much per employee and b) doesn't care about ANYONE's money (except its own). Your solution just doubles administrative cost, and greatly increases the cost of claims.

Federal Bureaucracies seem to exist for no reason at all.

Cheers, James Arthur

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OK, they passed it, let's see, I was paying $4,300 before Obamacare and he was going to give me a $2,500 deduction, so looks like my premium will be about $200 a month. s/

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You still think that, even after the government's bumbling just doubled the price of medical insurance for people who buy their own?

The federal government is *why* medical costs are out of control in the first place. It's more generally known as the "third-party payer problem." The TPPP is this: when someone else is paying, nobody cares as much how something costs, or bothers much to shop for price and value.

When a consumer doesn't care how much something costs, providers charge more.

It's not necessarily profit, either--many times the higher charges only serve to keep sloppy providers from having to trim up their operations (so to speak :-).

It has gone so far in the U.S. that no one even knows what something costs until long after they've consumed it--people are making deals for goods and services without even knowing what the services will cost. That eliminates the consumer's ability to apply price pressure to the suppliers.

Also, EVERY time you introduce a third party payer, you introduce administration and administrative cost. But that's a smaller factor, really, compared to eliminating consumers' ability to shop.

Here's how you save costs: if it's a small thing, just pay your doctor. Cash. It saves you both time and hassle, cost, and eliminates the middlemen entirely. I estimate paying cash saves about 40% of the cost, and it makes everyone a lot happier. No one likes paperwork or meddlers.

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LOL! A double is being kind. Mikek

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Doctors and hospitals should have published price lists for services, and publish any discount schedules.

You can't shop around if you don't know what something will cost.

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Yes, the entire bureaucracy exists to control their costs. I.e. to ensure they make as much profit as they can. At performing the only task they do, which is controlling their own costs.

Americans hand them a dollar, and then they use thousands of workers in hundreds of offices grinding millions upon millions of lines of computer code whether to hand Americans right back either 87 cents or 92.

At least if you set it up right there's a slight possibility government would be handing you back at least your whole dollar. Private companies definitely never will.

If you argue that's not possible either then I guess we're just arguing over who will steal from you the least. great.

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should be "hand us back at least the whole dollar"

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