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   Even a thinking lefty would take pause.

I was on the ACA website today comparing policies.
  It's enough to give you high blood pressure.
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I compared my county Fl. to a county in Charlotte N.C.
I used 32405 and 28105 as zipcodes in case you want to check my work.
  A family of 4 that makes $100,000+ with a $68,000 Modified Adjust  
Gross Income gets an ACA subsidy of $33,072.
  The Bay Co. Fl. family gets a subsidy of $15,192, less than half as much.

  On the other hand the cheapest Merklenburg ACA policy is $32,448 a  
year. wtf!
  The family gets it free, paid for by the hardworking taxpayers.
  The next policy is $32,820 again $0 for the family.
  The 3rd policy costs the family $35 a month, and the hardworking  
taxpayers, $33,072.

  Put up your hand if you want to give a family making $100,000+ a  
$33,000 welfare check, er, I mean a subsidy.


  The cost of ACA policies in Bay Co. Fl. is a little over 1/2 as much  
as Merklenburg.


                              Mikek

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty

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Trying to follow your math examples (or lack thereof)... what's the
NET cost to the Bay Co. FL family?
        
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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 5/2/2017 6:11 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
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  Cheapest subsidized policy is $148mo to the family, $1,266 to the  
hardworking taxpayers.

  A policy that is HSA compliant is $190 to the family and also $1,266  
to the family.

I didn't give Bay Co. because the shock is in the $33,000 subsidies and  
policies.
                            Mikek
PS, I just had an increase and my non ACA policy is $11,232.

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 05/02/2017 07:24 PM, amdx wrote:

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It's a hard life in that resort town to be sure. How do you even survive  
the tourists?

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 5/4/2017 11:58 PM, bitrex wrote:
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  Ya, but the girls you pictured are wearing those big bathing suits.

                              Mikek
  PS. I'm across the bridge, so I have to drive 8 miles to see them.
I have often thought about being a photographer. I'd probably need lots  
of practice to get the shot right. :-)

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 05/06/2017 05:28 PM, amdx wrote:
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Well, I suppose the Earth can handle a couple more liters of CO2...


Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 9:02:29 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/06/01/the-cost-conundrum

At the time Atul Gawande blamed the differences in costs between two rather similar Texan towns on differences in approach - some doctors did more testing which cost more.

More recently there have been criminal charges against some of the medical practices in the more expensive town. The New Yorker's lawyers would have counseled Atul Gawande against suggesting anything like that in a published article.

Merklenburg might be the home of another bunch of criminally greedy doctors.

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 5/3/2017 12:22 AM, snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote:
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   I read the article, it is very interesting and points out how big  
savings in healthcare could be made. Problem is it was written 8 years  
ago, and our problems have only increased.
                        Mikek

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:59:18 AM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
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ther similar Texan towns on differences in approach - some doctors did more
 testing which cost more.
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cal practices in the more expensive town. The New Yorker's lawyers would ha
ve counseled Atul Gawande against suggesting anything like that in a publis
hed article.
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tors.

The criminal prosecutions took a while to set up, and only happened last ye
ar - if I remember rightly. Whether prosecutors in other states got the mes
sage, and started looking for similar cases of medical fraud, isn't exactly
 evident.

The Texas case shows that medical fraud is definitely possible, detectable  
and can be prosecuted. US medical costs are half-again higher than the rest
 of the advanced industrial world, so one might suspect that there is quite
 a bit of fraud going on, but there are also a lot of people around like Ja
mes Arthur who don't want to think that American exceptionalism is mainly a
bout back-handers and pork barrels.

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Tue, 02 May 2017 18:02:04 -0500, amdx wrote:

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Well, not sure tax payers should be paying for it.. oh wait I'm a
taxpayer and I'd like to think my hard-erned dollars is going
for something good. But it's so wasteful...

The fundamental issue in arguments like this is the cost of
health care is about 10x what it should cost. Thanks to greedy
bastards that soak up the money and give nothing in return.
In the '70's an average surgery was $1K-$3K plus a few hundred
for the hospital. Now it's like $50K+. No wonder insurance is
so high. Until they kick the board room profiteers out nothing
will change and us taxpayers will bear the cost. So don't bitch,
your precious capitalism made it that way.

Haha I really shouldn't comment on stuff like this but fuggit.

On a happy note I figured out the AIC3254.. no thanks to incomplete
datasheets and bad support. Google-fu won the day.

Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 5:04:58 AM UTC-4, Terry Newton wrote:
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You mean, at bottom, that letting people exchange goods and services
at prices they mutually agree on drives up prices?

You'd think, from theory and experience, that that--free enterprise--
controls prices very effectively. People shopping and choosing the best
deal from the best supplier(s) keeps prices down.

But we don't have that in medicine.
  
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Google-fu conquers all. :-)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 5/4/2017 6:55 AM, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:
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BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN MEDICINE

bingo!!!!!





Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:09:20 AM UTC+10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
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It's one explanation of why US medicine is remarkably expensive, while not  
being universal. James Arthur can't think of any other, despite the fact th
at every other advanced industrial country manages to offer universal healt
h care at two thirds of the price per head of the US system (or less).

Most of them use some variation of the national insurance scheme originally
 set up by that arch-socialist Otto van Bismark, and every last one of them
 has better population-wide health statistics than the US.

James Arthur blames this on American exceptionalism, and he's right to be e
xtent that the US is exceptionally dedicated to rejecting any scheme that w
orks if there's a risk that anybody could label them socialist.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 2017-05-04 17:38, snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote:
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The thing is, the socialism phobia will come back to haunt him, all it
will take is an outbreak of a sufficiently contagious disease.

/Teo.


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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Thu, 4 May 2017 17:42:07 +0200, "Teodor V."

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Like Socialism?

Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 05/04/2017 07:15 PM, snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com wrote:

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The conservative mentality: "Every other advanced industrial nation in  
the world accomplishes this cheaper and more efficiently than we do, so  
their method must be wrong."



Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 7:24:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
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Europe is a collection of states, each about the size of a U.S. state.
They don't have single-payer, they each have their own individual system.

It might work on that geographic scale, in a homogeneous like-minded
population that doesn't mind being ruled by their "betters." You live
in a good state to try--go for it.  But with your own money, please.

There's nothing stopping you.  Let us know how it works.


Cheers,
James Arthur

Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On 2017-05-05 01:50, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:
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However, there is an agreement in place EU-wide which basically means
that an EU resident of one country only falling ill in another country
only has to pay what a resident of the other EU country has to pay for
health care.

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Actually, it's becoming increasingly evident that even a state-level
healthcare system is too small when it comes to healthcare, that a
larger system is necessary to handle things efficiently.

Also, we're not being ruled by our "betters", there are a lot of private
actors in the health care field here competing with other private actor
and muni/county/state operated outfits. The only difference is the that
instead of health insurance, the county or state pays the actors for
services rendered.

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Residents here pay less for universal healthcare than US residents do
for health insurance. And I'm not talking about the co-pay (like $130
max/y for healthcare, $260 max/y for medications), but the portion of
taxes which goes to healthcare.

/Teo.

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Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:36:38 AM UTC-4, Teodor V. wrote:
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But reciprocity between states is not at all the same as one centrally-
controlled one-size-fits-all European system, the equivalent of which is
what's being continually pushed by some here for the United States.

Rather than Washington D.C. (as suggested for us), I suggest all Swedish
healthcare policy should be decided exclusively in Rome.  For efficiency,
the same Italian agency could also handle all of Sweden's treatment
standards, payments, and claims, too.

See what I mean?

Or would you prefer that your healthcare be voted on and directed by the
United States' Congress?  I thought not.

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See above.


U.S. healthcare is expensive because our government has made it so, completely
unnecessarily.  Just look at Obamacare.  Passed allegedly to control cost,
the "Affordable" Care Act has doubled the cost for people who buy their own
insurance in three short years.

Nice work, government!

Cheers,
James Arthur

Re: It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty
On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-7, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:
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I went into consulting between 2005 and 2007 and so obtained insurance privately - it went up by a factor of ~5 in those two years.  When it reached ~$10,000/year I decided to go back to full-time employment to obtain insurance at a reasonable price.

This was many years before Obamacare.

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