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Or perhaps you understood your peer's situations even less than you understand politics or economics.

Freedom is abuse? That sure sounds like something a leftist would come up with. Pure, unvarnished, Orwell.

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I think I understood it just fine. ;-)

Who knows, that wasn't what I said.

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I'm not so sure that western European culture is all that bad. Most of it doesn't go in for the honour killing nonsense, or female genital mutilation.

There are individual horrible people in every culture, and some of my friends had to put up with parents who didn't strike me as well-behaved people.

The ill-behaved parents did tend to be badly behaved in different ways, so it didn't seem to make much sense to blame the culture.

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To elaborate, I don't believe Americans on average even utilize the freedoms that they already have effectively to make themselves personally happier, so I don't think "freedom" as an abstract concept is necessarily immediately related.

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"Western Civilization: at least we don't cut your privates off!"

Wow, great marketing. I'm sold.

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Krw has his own understanding of politics and economics. It's not exactly deep, but he's entirely confident that whatever he happens to think is absolutely right.

That is not what bitrex said, and it isn't altogether surprising that what krw thought he heard was the kind of nonsense that Orwell put into the mouth of big brother.

Western European culture may be less constrained than some, but it isn't "free" in any absolute sense.

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That would be a first, or more appropriately, only.

It was.

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gmail address, Google Groups user, he don't know what an NNTP server is. It would be an "Eternal September" kind of situation with Google Groups now if it were 1993; fortunately or unfortunately depending on how one sees it it's many years later and Usenet has fallen way off the radar in favor of moderated Web forums

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What's OP taking requests from JT for anyway? I'll send a blacked-out photo of my diploma to anyone who wants to see for $250

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Krw pontificating about "understanding" has a rather high ironic content.

It might have been what krw "understood" but it wasn't what he said, not that krw could appreciate the distinction.

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Males genital mutilation, aka circumcision, is quite common in the west.

You would seem to be something of a sexist. Or maybe you were just lucky ...

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Just a couple of comments. Why do you believe that people express what they believe. It is possible that people just said things that they thought would wind up other people.

And why do you believe that it is worthwhile to use a pseudonym?

Dan

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On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 10:09:32 PM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote :

I said I wasn't coming back unless it was to discuss only electronics, but I lied. I got drawn back in and it was probably a mistake.

nded people can be. There are some SED users I agree with and who I thought were rational and analytical.

w) but interested in analyzing people, I was in for a shock. I tried coming to terms with why some SED users refused to believe anything they didn't l ike, regardless of the facts presented.

PBS, even Fox at times) cannot be trusted. This assertion in itself seems i llogical to me, but I digress....

nment agency (e.g. NASA), or any other well-established research institutio n is also accused of being biased and cannot be trusted, sometimes only bec ause of what state it resides in!!! So, what does this leave? Internet-only news sources that are relatively new and often highly targeted to their au dience, often venturing into tabloid territory, or worse, foreign adversary propaganda.

oint of reference. Everyone is their own expert. No facts or research can b e trusted, primarily if it disagrees with one's opinion. A research paper i s discounted because said person has did "their own analysis and concluded it's all false".

w and grappled with. Again, how can otherwise intelligent people have such utter disregard for what should be common points of reference?

ken on request of JT, hence the handwritten text covering my real name.

A degree does not make you an engineer, all it means is you took 10 courses . If you don't "do" engineering, you're not an engineer. There's a shocking ly large number of people holding EE degrees who are not employed as engine ers (to include being unemployed) mainly because they're worthless. A big r eason for this waste of resource is the sorry-assed self-styled academics a re in the same boat, they can't do engineering themselves so how on Earth c ould they possibly teach others to be useful.

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I never planned to post again but a few things are bothering me. Then that' s it. I estimate I've spent a few hours a week posting in SED and all it's done is frustrate me. It's nobody's fault but my own of course.

Closing account: I closed the Google account, lonmkusch. I'm not sure if that username could even be resurrected again, hence why I'm using hondgm. I used Google Group s because it was easy and free.

Experiment: I worded that wrong. It's not like I planned this to be an experiment, but rather I became drawn in to the political discussions and couldn't help mys elf but to get involved. After a period of time I noticed how many people c onsistently denied everything they didn't like and tested responses a few t imes by posting certain off-topics.

"Also I think you should find more productive things to do with your time": This is why I'm dropping this. I probably have spent several hours a week o n this. Not worth it. It's my own fault. The new place I work has lots of e lectronic experts and I'll ask them questions if I have them, or find a mod erated forum.

"Also given how OP talks about "closing my account" seems like OP is a little younger than most people here on average; it's usenet dude you don't "close your account.": I'm sure I am younger than most here on average, but many seem to be pushin g retirement. I posted my first Usenet message in 1995 using a UNIX shell a ccount. I know what Usenet and NNTP is, and was a computer user in the BBS era.

"gmail address, Google Groups user, he don't know what an NNTP server is.": Network News Transfer Protocol? Usenet is the original "forum". It's decent ralized since multiple Usenet servers, often one from each ISP/organization (if any major ISPs even offer them anymore) synchronize with each other. O nce your message is out there, it's damn near impossible to get rid of it. And no, I've never been an AOL user, and was in no way part of the Eternal September floodgates in 1993.

"Just a couple of comments. Why do you believe that people express what t hey believe. It is possible that people just said things that they thought would wind up other people.": I pondered that, but it seems it would be difficult for someone to keep up a fake persona about something so personal and sensitive like politics for so long. Then I began seeing similar behavior from multiple, yet clearly di fferent, people and figured this was their real thoughts.

"And why do you believe that it is worthwhile to use a pseudonym?": Because I want to speak freely and not have anything I say associated with me. Stuff posted to Usenet is basically forever and that makes me uncomfort able. Whether I use my real name or a pseudonym, it's the same to SED users . It's not like I'm famous and if I start using my real name someone will s ay "oh it's Elon Musk!" No. Using my real name adds no more credibility.

"A degree does not make you an engineer, all it means is you took 10 course s. If you don't "do" engineering, you're not an engineer.": Most companies will not hire someone as an engineer unless they have a degr ee. For the record, I do engineering. I design electronics as a hobby and h ave for several companies; some small, some very large.

Ok that's all. I didn't want to post again but wanted to clear some things up. I won't be spending any more time posting or replying here. And if anyo ne doubts I'm the same person as lonmkusch, you can check IP addresses in t he header.

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OMG! That must have been tewwible for you to discover that other people think differently. What you have to do now is take some time to confer with like-minded individuals and see if there's any way you can all come up with to prevent other people from having thoughts of their own. I'm sure there must be a way; probably something in Nineteen-Eighty-Four you could adapt for your purposes.

So long, Snowflake! :-D

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No need. We're talking about diplomas in electronic engineering, not "transgender studies."

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I don't get why it is surprising. I've known people all my life who wouldn't listen to reason. I may not have fully understood that some people are ruled by their emotions, but I see that clearly now. Often they are the same people.

Where is the surprise? These aren't the majority or even a large number of people. Here they are vocal and so stand out as do similar people everywhere. It's not how good your thinking is, it's how loudly you can proclaim it and get people to hear it. Then the majority of people will simply regurgitate the last thing they heard. That's the sad part.

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If you are going to go away, just go away, without all the drama.

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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote on 9/30/2017 3:08 PM:

That was the main reason why I came here myself. I wanted to learn more about the parts of electronics I'm not as familiar with. But it is not really a good place to learn. Too many here are full of vitriol and prefer to denigrate rather than communicate. Still, I have learned and it has not be totally pointless.

"Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in."

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Yeah, sure. You didn't get the echoes you wanted and are leaving when your hypocrisy is challenged. You don't have the courage of your convictions that even Slowman has.

Mark L. Fergerson

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