Health Care

Find women's rights in the original Constitution. The US Constitution, like any countries constitution, evolves to meet the changing mores of the public. By your declaration women should have no legal rights, they were ignored in the original Constitution after all. You say you are proud of your daughters, yet would you hamstring them with the original Constitution? Or are some parts of the evolved US Constitution acceptable to you (article 19 for example), but other parts are not? Can you accept that the US Constitution will continue to evolve?

John

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John Robertson
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As always its a waste of time arguing with you people. Closed minds.

Where's car insurance mentioned in the constitution?

What did you get for the $6000 emergency treatment?

$1000 for just going there. MRI? EKG? Bloodwork? Always.

Any treatment? Probably not. Prescription for daily aspirin? Told to stop drinking?

Maybe recommended see your doctor afterwards, put you on Eliquis? $300 a month? System is so corrupt.

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JC

You really should read it sometime (or stop talking about what you haven't a clue - but then you'd be mute). BTW, the 14th, 19th, and

26th have women's rights pretty well wrapped up.

Wrong. It may be amended (the instructions are right inside, should you choose to learn something) but it does *NOT* "evolve".

Do talk about something you know at least *something* about.

Now you admit that you're full of shit. "Article 19"? You really are a dumbshit.

No, the Constitution does *not* evolve. It is amended and only by the methods described therein.

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krw

10th Amendment, stupid.

Life, apparently.

You really are illiterate. He said he paid $6K OUT OF POCKET. He clearly described his insurance ($5K deductible).

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krw

Trump's capacity to make things happen isn't impressive. His capacity to bloviate about what he would like to do puts Jim Thompson in the shade.

On some metrics, Cuba's health care is about as good as US health care.

If you want good health care, go to northern Europe, where every last system is universal, and the cost per head is about two-thirds of the US expenditure.

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bill.sloman

Yep. Yours is a steel trap.

It's right there beside health care for all... did you miss it ?>:-}

$6K was my co-pay for the 5 days I was hospitalized.

Infused immediately with tPA (a clot buster).

Scans to determine point(s) of heart artery blockage.

48 hours in ICU prepping for 'surgery':

Stent insertion at location LAD Product Part # 1001092-U Product Lot # 8060351

(I still carry the medical info card in my wallet ;-)

vertical to keep leg artery healing properly (stent insertion route via femoral artery).

You are hereby declared to be a useless turd/troll. Plonk ;-)

Oh! By the way, surgeon did imply I should stop drinking wine... then asked for a recommendation for a good red ;-)

Bye! ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

That's unusual. Perhaps because of the tPA? I've had several catheterizations and none have had me stay still/flat for more than a few hours. For future reference, heart caths through the radial artery are far simpler than using the femoral artery. Direct pressure to the wrist is a lot simpler than the groin.

About time.

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krw

Jim Thompson wrote on 9/29/2017 8:41 PM:

How is that relevant to the discussion? Maybe you could tell us how you were insured?

Of course. Emergency rooms are for emergency care. Heart attacks are emergencies, so... they get treated. Walk in with a broken arm, again, that's an emergency, so it gets treated. Walk in with a bleeding ulcer and you are examined if it's found to not be life threatening, so you won't get treated.

I don't see you were treated unfairly. Why are you asking the question?

Now we get to the crux of the matter. You don't believe anyone is entitled to health care unless they can pay for it. That is the basis of you opposition to the ACA and even the Republican replacement for it. You just don't think anyone else's life matters. It's every man for himself!

It was that way when this country was created. Times change. Just as we provide financial support for those without, believing that no one should suffer or die just because they can't provide for themselves, we, as a nation, do not believe anyone should be denied health care because they don't have the means to pay for it.

I think what you are really mad about it the fact that you had to pay your way all this time and now that the nation is realizing its mistake, you are in a position where you won't be able to take advantage of it.

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rickman

Happens in almost all hospitals, but try to get out without paying...other than in Canada (if you are a landed resident/citizen here) or most European countries.

My point was Jim appears to choose which version of the US Constitution he likes and which he doesn't. My impression is that he prefers the original constitution as recorded in 1779, and is not very happy with the amendment process of the evolving constitution. If I am wrong about that assumption then I apologize to Jim.

Health Care may be incorporated in a future revision to your constitution, but that will take time.

Amendments that pass are incorporated as Articles as part of the process of amending your constitution.

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Evolve was just my verb for the process of updating the constitution - I appear to have struck a nerve.

John

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John Robertson

"... promote the general welfare,"

George H.

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George Herold

The US is not that bad. They will let you out of the hospital. You don't even have to sign anything although that won't stop them from asking. They may or may not take you to court if you don't pay the bills they send.

Very unlikely I think. While we may get a system of universal health care someday, how would it be worded in the Constitution that the government is obligated to provide it?

Sometimes I'm surprised that he isn't injured by that knee jerking up and hitting him in his own face.

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rickman

You lefties have only your fantasies. Reality has no meaning to a lefty.

It won't, at least in anyone here's lifetime.

Do talk about something you have at least a passing acquaintance with. IOW STFU.

Amendments Articles, idiot. Do try to learn something or at least STFU.

Wrong, as always.

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krw

Why should he start talking about something he has a clue about now?

That's easy enough. Just state it as such. It's not going to happen, though. If the US goes socialist, it'll be without bothering with the Constitution. Lefties have no use for it.

OK, another moron lefty who doesn't know the difference.

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krw

"General Welfare" "Individual Welfare"

You should learn something about the Constitution too.

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krw

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Jim's problem, and the probem with most right-wing posters on the subject o f health care, is that they miss the point that health care is not only for making you healthy when you get sick, it's also for making sure that your infectious disease doesn't start a plague.

It's up there with "defending wars, providing police and fire, and streets" .

Back when the US constitution was written people did know about preventing plagues, but being medically qualified didn't help much, and the idea that tuberculosis was a communicable disease was about a century in the future.

It's ironic that James Arthur's hero - Bastiat - died of tuberculosis, whic h is exactly the kind of communicable disease that a universal health servi ce is great at getting rid of, and where the US health care system has scre wed up from time to time.

Some of our "individual rights" right-wing lunatics are worried about innoc ulation as an invasion of their personal right to give everybody else any d isease that they are silly enough to catch. It's silly, particularly when t he same lunatics are happy with the state having the right to conscript cit izens to get killed in foreign wars.

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bill.sloman

Getting struck down by an infectious plague impairs the general welfare of a whole population, as well as the individual welfare of each of the individuals who gets sick.

If too many people get sick, society falls part - there's no shortage of good intentions, but not enough healthy people around to do what needs to be done.

Krw does seem to be massively ignorant about the potential consequences of a serious infectious disease (and they do keep on evolving) but he's massively ignorant about a lot of subjects (and his own massive ignorance is one of them).

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Did I say it did? I only quoted a piece of the preamble to the constitution. promoting the general welfare, could cover a lot of things, one of which could be health care.

I like the preamble to the constitution, seems like a reasonable set of guide lines/ goals.

George H.

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George Herold

Yes, in fact you did say that it was. Government paid health care would be individual welfare, *not* general welfare.

No, it couldn't. It is exactly *not* what was intended.

Not at all! That would require seizing property from one person and giving it to another, something that would horrify the framers.

Repeat.

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krw

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Krw is an archetypal right-wing nitwit, so he hasn't got a clue that health care involves preventing plagues of infectious diseases.

The individual welfare of somebody with an infectious disease requires that they be treated and cured. The general welfare of everybody else demands t hat the individual sufferer be detected, promptly isolated and treated wher e they won't infect anybody else.

Universal health care is the only mechanism that can be trusted to get hold of the infectious individual as soon as they start feeling sick - at that point nobody will know that what they got is infectious.

It might not have been intended, but the concept of quarantine and isolatio n was known back when the founding tax evaders devised the US constitution

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I've seen the quarantine station at Marseilles, and it is earlier

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Not at all. They were happy to tax US citizens to pay for the armed forces, the court system, and diplomats. If they'd had more sense they'd have set up a quarantine system as well, and funded it the same way.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

*Less care, less high tech equipment, less end of life care, less expensive testing, and more preventive care. The first four are only partly in jest, the only thing causing healthcare insurance to be expensive is the cost of healthcare. That's where to attack the problem.

Mikek

P.S. Unless I need it, then I want these.

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amdx

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