Gilbert cell question

Apparently, when used in the continuous mode, (as opposed to the switched mode) the local oscillator input to a needs to be distorted with a diode circuit. What is exactly this diode circuit -- a single diode or something more complex. Thanks in advance.

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dakupoto
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The LM13700 OTA has them built-in. The datasheet shows how they are connected.

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The HFA3101 solves the linearity issue a different way - the emitter coupled pair emitters aren't connected together, allowing external resistors to be used.

Regards, Allan

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Allan Herriman

It's another transistor, connected so as to effectively form a current mirror with each input transistor. The LM13700 and NE5517 (faster and higher current) show them as being diodes, but they're really transistors with C&B shorted.

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Phil Hobbs

There's an alternative, to gain-control the input so that only a small signal is present on the difference inputs. At circa 20 mV, it's nearly linear without the 'linearizing diode' addons.

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whit3rd

Yes, but at the potential expense of increased noise.

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Steve Goldstein

In my limited experience, diode connected transistors are more 'ideal' than diodes. (I,V,T wise)

George H.

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George Herold

That is because the voltage and current paths are separated.

In a transdiode, the current goes via collector and the voltage is sensed via the base-emitter diode. The effect of the base resistance is diminished by the beta, as most of the current is diverted off the resistance.

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Tauno Voipio

Base resistance is an important effect, but even more important is avoiding high-level injection, which makes the recombination rate increase with bias current. That's what makes real diodes not follow the 'diode equation'. Even with the exponential constant increased to ~35-50 mV vs. kT/e ~26 mV they're still not nearly as accurate.

A diode-connected transistor is running in normal bias, so the depletion zone accelerates carriers through the base, so they have little chance to recombine and spoil the exponential character.

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Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

The diodes allow for, essentially, (almost) perfect multiplication of two currents. To wit:

A transistor has a nominal small signal trannsconductance, gm=40.Ic. i.e. Iout =40.Ic.Vin.

So, if Ic=k.Vx, then

iout=40.k.Vin.Vx

However, this is based on an approximation to an exponential transfer function of input voltage to output current. For large input volts swings, the exp() bit starts biting.

Essentially, the input transistors Log() the input current. This results, effectively in implementing Log(xy) = Log(x) + Log(y) and exp(Log(xy))

If you write the nodal equation, one derives Ic1/Id1 = Ic2/is2, then using the fact that the differential input current is held constant at IK, one gets

DeltaIC = IK. (Ic1-Ic2)/(Ic1+Ic2)

I leave the rest to the reader.

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How's the old glam rock tribute band going lately, Kev? You still getting your 6" platforms and gold Lurex suit on?

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Kevin Aylward

Right, it's a diode with gain. (I think Phil H said that.)

George H.

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George Herold

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