FAA's proposed air delivery drone rules:

On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:16:45 -0800 (PST)) it happened snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in :

Do you know how it feels to get hit by a 55 pound weight falling from 400 feet equiped with 4 choppers to cut you? Can you fly one in high winds at all?

Somebody in France was flying drones over nuclear plants, in a no fly zone, panic panic.

How about that special Amazon delivery to the white house? Will they hide under the table like they learned to do when a nuke falls? 'merricans, what a joke.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

These are pretty same rules as proposed by ICAO.

As a licensed pilot, I will deifnitively NOT have any stray drones popping up to my flight path.

For your questions:

1. Yes, and specially for drones
2. How otherwise do you handle them so that they are not a danger to other air traffic or by-standers?
3. See 4.

ALL true drones should be required to be controlled by or log flight events via onboard cell connection. No exceptions, regardless of the added weight and cost. All pilots should be required to have a license which is certified by a real FAA licensed fixed wing aircraft pilot. It should include comprehensive testing regarding airspace rules and conventions. Entire flight paths should be logged for each flight, in real time, to an FAA cloud server.

All toy drones should be registered and require a license to operate and log a flight plan online, and be restricted to 200' altitude and line of sight flight. It should be more restrictive than the old RC plane rules, because of ease of use, more than anything else. Humans get lazy about procedures and rules. This should not be permitted ever.

I'm not clear on what 5 means. Does that mean the drone needs a camera?? Or does it mean the drone has to be within visual range of the pilot? That would seem to be an overly restrictive requirement.

BTW, what do you do when another aircraft is in your airspace? Why would a drone be any different? If they can make drone cars that drive safely on the relatively uncontrolled highways, why couldn't they be able to fly drones relatively safely in the same airspace as other aircraft?

I'm not suggesting that this is something that should be done without a lot of thought and as a careful process. But I can't see any inherent dangers that would permanently preclude their use.

To be honest, I don't want *any* aircraft flying below 400 feet around my home.

ing up to my flight path.

Yes, low flying delivery drones should be away from normal flight path. Fo r example, along city streets and roads.

other air traffic or by-standers?

Only if you don't believe in any on-board safety system. It can always sum mon a human when there is immediate danger. For example, when flying 100' above the road, 55 pounds is not as bad as it sound. If there is accidenta l release, human won't be fast enough to stop it anyway.

I think it mean visual line of sight. That's why it needs to be changed.

We've already had a case here in Mesa, AZ, where a little old lady discovered a drone (Sheriff's) hovering over her back yard.

Took it down with a shotgun ;-)

She was arrested, but a judge threw the case out _with_prejudice_!

Of course, this is Arizona. Had it been New York, she'd probably have been sent up for life. Life is just so wonderful in those "progressive" states. No wonder that NY businesses are fleeing to Texas ;-) ...Jim Thompson

New York ? I've known people who refused to even work in NY, let alone have a business there. I would never live there.

I am glad that old Lady got off. You don't go flying shit around my propert y. It has to stop somewhere.

I owuld say that in about at east 40 stats she would have been in jail, and have to pay ridiculous restitution.

Doesn't AZ have that famous sherrif who makes jail inmates wear pink underw ear ?? He is a bit radical, and he has no use for the feds. Seriously, he i s all for stats' rights and is in a national association of sherrifs who ar e starting to make noises about arresting federal agents if they come into the state and enforce unconstitutional laws. If he was an advocate of legal ;izing recreational drugs he would just about be a constitutionalist. But t hen I think the People of Arizona do not support that. Whaddya do then ?

I am damn surprised Arpiao or whatevr his name would even support using dro nes indiscriminately. If he is still in office, I am disappointed.

But you can't control what's flying in front of your house, the back is a different story.

We are not law enforcement and would not go into people's back yard without permission.

In fact, we are thinking about flying above the electric bus rails and "stealing power". Of course, we have to ask for permission and work out the "fine" in advance. To save on battery weight, it would work like an electric hopper for charging.

Is a classic RC model airplane a "drone"?

The RC guys really need to get out in front on this. The entire sport could get regulated into oblivion.

I don't understand why the 55lb weight limitation you would be just as dead if a 10kg drone fell on you from 200'

Where I live that would mean no higher than 200' since fast jets and the odd apache go past at 200' above ground round here on training. Cruise height also needs to be high enough that they do not hit electricity pylons or more likely the cables strung between them.

Total exclusion from controlled airspace is another essential restriction - you don't want one crossing a live runway.

Same way as cruise missiles but without the warhead delivery at the end just a parcel drop. Preprogrammed flight path in a central computer but with enough smarts on board to avoid any unusual transient hazards not on their terrain map. Crane jibs being an obvious example.

If they are to be permitted I don't see how they can avoid having one pilot per drone until the drones autonomous functions have been demonstrated to be better than a human.

I think there should be two classes of license for this one for hobby use with toy drones up to 2kg and then a commercial license.

Otherwise you will just have impossible law enforcement as happened to the influx of US CB radio into the UK swamping the licensed 27MHz RC model band so that model aircraft and hospital pagers had to change frequency to avoid disastrous interference problems.

On a sunny day (Sat, 17 Jan 2015 07:40:19 +0000) it happened Martin Brown wrote in :

Where I live the helies from Den Helder flying to Leeuwarden airbase shaked the tiles of the roof. yes they were too low, but hey,... The F16 and Eurofighter are slightly higher, not much problems lately.

On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:47:01 -0800 (PST)) it happened snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in :

Now THAT is a cool idea, I can imagine landing on a 1 MV DC power line, with this arm sticking out to make ground connections, man some fireworks :-) You should patent it.

(Putting on coat running to patent office, BEAT YOU HAHAHA).

On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:04:18 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in :

Is somebody with a box of matches a 'terrorist'? Oh, eh, make that 'soldering iron', no 'cutters' no Chainsaw, no..... there yoou go!!!

Was that "line OF sight", which just means that there must not be intervening obstacles, the presence of which could compromise the radio control.

Sylvia.

That is what "Line of Sight" typically means, but in this case, it simply means that if the operator cannot see the craft, the operator cannot be considered to be in proper control of the craft.

Yes, a sub-class.

That's not what it means, idiot. Line-of-sight refers to communications transmission and disqualifies satellite or tower relay modes.