EV charging price

Buying "fuel" locally as opposed to sourcing it from overseas you'd think would be the kind of thing independently-minded Americans would be into as opposed to riding Saudi Arabia and OPEC's dick, IIRC George W. Bush said something similar too but that was quite a while ago.

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bitrex
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Is the "true" cost like "true" Communism?

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Tom Del Rosso

No, sourcing it from the cheapest source is what a free market does, and it finds the "true" cost that way. You think Gosplan had a better idea of true costs. Your economics is delusional economics.

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Tom Del Rosso

why, a short-range battery pack doesn't weigh that much, and some kind of hot swappable engine/long-range battery thing would be way more trouble and overall expense than it's worth just buy two different cars.

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bitrex

Okay you buy from 'em if you like but don't get mad when some people who live there get miffed about it and demolish skyscrapers and kill thousands of people. and definitely don't spend my money to declare war on other uninvolved nations in response I didn't authorize that.

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bitrex

It's not my impression that most Americans are opposed to socialism, National Socialism was a kind of socialism too

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bitrex

The "joke" here is that America is likely destined for some form of fascism, whether it will be of a left or right-wing variety who can say but that's mostly window-dressing.

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bitrex

Cuz they don't want people with old EVs that charge slow and have less money to spend on charging taking up space at their chargers but putting up a sign that says "No poors with cheapo electric cars allowed" would be gauche.

"the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges" a quote that neatly summarizes San Francisco

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bitrex

They didn't get miffed because we buy oil. They are miffed that you are not yet a muslim and you befriend jews, and according to bin Laden's

1998 declaration of war, "70 years of humiliation", which means the break up of the Ottoman Empire. We also broke up the Austrian Hungarian Empire but they adapted.
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Tom Del Rosso

It probably has less to do with befriending Jews vs. military aid to Israel, and keeping US troops in "Muslim lands" to ensure the rabble don't get ideas like sending all the royal families to the firing squad and setting up their own nationalist or fundamentalist governments, that aren't nearly as interested in shipping the West crude at a consistently low price.

There are a lot of non-Muslisms in Switzerland, it was one of the first countries to recognize Israel, and has been friendly to Jews for a long time so why didn't they fly aircraft into downtown Zurich instead of NYC it's a lot closer and probably easier to pull off

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bitrex

If they used the free market to set prices on electricity you would be paying through the nose for each kWh.

Do you have a point?

Rick C.

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gnuarm.deletethisbit

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Two reasons, the costs are not only "per kWh" and they wish to discourage p arking after charging is completed.

That is actually one of the problems with destination charging. People don 't want to have to return to their cars just because they are fully charged . Or if they are charging at work do they want to leave a meeting to disco nnect?

If we stay ahead of demand by having lots of level 2 chargers available we won't have to worry about tying up resources. I haven't priced asphalt, bu t I bet it costs as much or more to build the parking lot in the first plac e than it does to include level 2 charging.

I think it is going to be the level 2 charging that makes or breaks public opinion regarding EVs. There seems to be plenty of focus on level 3 chargi ng including making it faster as well as more accessible. Having adequate level 2 charging will implant EVs in the mind of the public as being here a nd now rather than something seen on The Jetsons.

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gnuarm.deletethisbit

Why hate on the rich? Just because they have done well doesn't mean they should have to pay more. Some of them actually sacrificed to get rich, and now you want to punish them. Shame on you! What does quite wealthy mean to you? Is it just because you haven't figured out how to get rich? I'll give you the details, live on 20% to 25% less then you earn, invest in the stock market and wait 20* years. Mikek

  • 20 years 2039 may not be optimum if there is a market downturn that year. But just wait, it always comes back up.
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amdx

I know a number of "quite wealthy" people and you don't talk like one of 'em.

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bitrex

Also you have a weird definition of "hate" I never said I hated nobody. I was suggesting that it's probably pointless to try to legislate that businesses whose business model seems to implicitly be to cater to them by charging by the minute rather than the kWh to do otherwise, that's their model such as it is.

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bitrex

I must agree that they should charge by the kWh, I would tolerate a time charge for those hogging the charger space more time than others i.e. the slow chargers, but it seems of any group, government aught to encourage electric and not punish the slow chargers.

Clearly your form of speech is hating on the rich. It's hard to get too miffed about the quite wealthy having to pay high rates for their toys or fight for legislation to protect 'em.

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amdx

Hello Edward,

Gasoline has 122 Megajoules per gallon as a chemical.

A Kilowatt hour is 3.6 Megajoules

Therefore, using an electricity cost of $0.15 per kilowatt hour, a gallon equivalent is $5.10 in the mainland and in Hawaii it is $15 per gallon. Hawaii has $0.44 per kilowatt hour electricity cost.

Hawaii summary

Gas is $4.10 per gallon Electric is $15.00 per gallon equivalent for electricity.

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Alan Folmsbee

and you'd be lucky to get 1/3 of the energy in gasoline to do actual work in a car, electricity more like 90%, so it is about the same

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

But only 1/4 to 1/5 of gasoline energy goes into motion. So, electric equivalent should be around $1.2 at $0.15 and $3 at $0.44.

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edward.ming.lee

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