Electric Vehicles Are Great for Long Trips

Yes, when all cars had the same level of maintenance and fuel costs, that w as true. With EVs there are big savings in ownership costs. How often do you change the oil in your HV? Do they measure the hours the engine is run ning? The way you talk it never runs and so might actually suffer from cor rosion if not run enough or run, but not up to full operating temperature.. . oh, how complicated ICE are.

Yeah, some will buy the cheapest car they can to save money. But others wi ll buy a car that gives them a low ownership cost and still gives them a go od quality and fun car to drive.

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You seem to be very confused. Tesla wants to sell electric vehicles. They understand the economies of scale and realize the price will come down wit h time and volume. Anyone who wants to compete in the EV market has the sa me limitation... like GM selling a less capable car for about the same pric e.

I've always given the big iron companies credit for knowing what the market wants. Clearly GM had other reasons for selling the Volt and Bolt other t han meeting market demand. The Volt barely sold and the Bolt will likely b e dropped as soon as GM has another EV available. For some reason GM wante d to have the first mass produced EV in the US. I'll wait for the US compa nies to produce their real EVs before I knock them too much.

The other manufacturers have probably been holding back in part to see what Tesla would do with the Model 3 and where the average sale price and production numbers would end up. They didn't really know. A 35k out-the-door priced well-equipped 3 made in large quantity anyone could get right off the site? Revolutionary product, hard to compete with.

The 35k Model 3-for-everyone turned out to be a juke by Tesla just a stripped-down model without even a heated steering wheel that you have to special-order with a two month lead time. they don't want anyone to buy it at that price and IMO never will. It doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

Kudos to Musk for faking them out I guess. Uncertainty likely forced GM to price the Bolt lower, into the realm of losing money or barely break-even at best, financial territory Tesla is intimately familiar with at this point

GM is definitely headed in the right direction selling electric SUVs/crossovers targeting the 35k-and-under price point. I don't really see any other direction for them in the EV regime at this point, at least. That's fine I think there's a large market there, the Bolt isn't the right vehicle for it, it wasn't really designed for the average American buyer, anyway. Looks weird. Popular in South Korea where half the design team was located.

I think that's a safe bet for GM because I think, psychologically speaking, Elon Musk doesn't give a sweaty flying f*ck what the average American in the market "wants."

He views the mass of American car buyers as no-money retards who don't deserve his product, don't understand it, too stupid to understand it, and definitely does not want to become the next Ford or Volkswagen trying to sell "the people's car" at minuscule margins.

Tesla wants to be a global company selling the cutting-edge at cutting-edge prices, the low-end of the American market is only of incidental interest to Tesla.

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They understand the economies of scale and realize the price will come down with time and volume. Anyone who wants to compete in the EV market has th e same limitation... like GM selling a less capable car for about the same price.

rket wants. Clearly GM had other reasons for selling the Volt and Bolt oth er than meeting market demand. The Volt barely sold and the Bolt will like ly be dropped as soon as GM has another EV available. For some reason GM w anted to have the first mass produced EV in the US. I'll wait for the US c ompanies to produce their real EVs before I knock them too much.

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Uh, I guess that's why Tesla is selling every friggin' car they can make...

I think you are projecting onto Musk. Meanwhile Tesla is defining the EV market for others to try to live up to.

BTW, no one else want's to be a maker of minimum margin cars only. That's why they all make the more expensive cars as well.

Again, your projection. Tesla, like everyone else has to make a profit. Meanwhile, Tesla, unlike everyone else, has figured out that to sell EVs there has to be a charging infrastructure in place *before* you try to sell cars like the Chevy Bolt. lol

That's why Tesla has sold half a million EVs and no one else has.

I didn't say that producing what market research says the market really wants is always a ticket to product success. sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't.

Market research would probably say that most buyers want a car with a "real" instrument cluster not a touch screen panel as the sole interface. People associated with Tesla probably tried to convince Musk to drop the idea, too. Clearly he didn't budge on it.

Musk has made a career of not even particularly caring what his own corporate board and major financial stakeholders think and leaving them in the dark about basic operational facts of the company, consistently.

I don't think it takes a great exercise of psychological projection to figure that he doesn't hold the bulk of the car-buying public in any particular higher esteem. You're on Team Musk - or you ain't.

Seems unlikely to be the reason. The US fast charging infrastructure sucked 5 years ago and it still sucks, it just sucks somewhat less. there are like 5 Tesla-branded supercharge stations within 100 miles of me and they sit unused most of the time just like that one up in Truckee or wherever the f*ck JL likes to go on about, I can see on my app anytime when they're being used it's not often.

these underused super-stations scattered about were the selling point that made people buy all those model 3 as opposed to something else? I'd think they'd be utilized more often if it that were the innovation setting the world on fire. I do see Model 3s around sometimes and when they're at a charger it's usually at the same kind of ChargePoint Level

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. Meanwhile, Tesla, unlike everyone else, has figured out that to sell EVs there has to be a charging infrastructure in place *before* you try to sel l cars like the Chevy Bolt. lol

What app do you have that shows supercharger use? Are you sure you aren't looking at destination chargers?

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Not the value presented by the car, idiot. The value gained by the cheaper operational costs.

You are really not too bright... even with your uninformed claim.

All of my ever owned cars are collector's items today, fetching huge bucks over what they were originally.

The 1969 Olds F-85 with the All Aluminum 215 V-8, the design of which was bought by British Leyland back in '63.

Go ahead, child... price one.

The 1963 Chevrolet Nova.

Again... go hunt up a rusty barn find... still not cheap.

The 1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo (first year).

You are so lame, you probably couldn't touch one with your entire retirement savings.

It looks like the ones I can get status on are, yeah.

Three of the destination chargers I can see status on nearby are located at bars/public breweries - odd choice. Nobody there at the moment but it's only Thursday.

For the Tesla Supercharger-charger locations you can only infer useage from the "popular times" GPS history on Google Maps, you can't get real-time bay status anymore on Chargepoint or Plugshare. I don't believe it was always that way. Guess Tesla figured there was no point in giving that info to third parties anymore

The most popular supercharger locations are at the Auburn Mall in Worcester and Shopper's World in Framingham those can be crowded in the weekday mornings, looks like. The Mansfield mall location is usually pretty lonely also I know because I go there sometimes and see it.

And uhhh, that's all there is just about for the no-status type supercharger infrastructure in southeast Massachusetts until you get to Cape Cod. Rhode Island is served by 28 supercharger bays total.

It's a nice perk but are these really the Tesla "killer app" driving sales at this point in most locations? I see more Model 3s on the road now but did the owners around here really buy them because they thought the couple of mall-chargers were the best thing ever? The Mansfield mall isn't even that great a mall!

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Destination chargers are provided for the convenience of patrons, not trip charging. What you see is not at all indicative of much of anything regard ing Tesla popularity. We all know Larkin hates Musk and so hates Tesla irr ationally. You seem to be very jealous of Tesla's success in a market wher e it can only be said that GM has failed.

Uh, why bother with any of that when Tesla has real time supercharger statu s in their cars and phone app? Why would anyone care about supercharger st atus if you don't own a Tesla?

I'm surprised you don't understand EVs and charging. Even if a Tesla owner never uses a supercharger, they want to know they are there if they ever d ecide to take a trip. People like Larkin are intimidated by the rapid succ ess of Tesla, so he has to research them so he can knock every little nit a bout them to the point of making up BS about getting trapped in snow drifts . Someone else here has to dig so deep for him to come up with crap like n eeding to drive hundreds of miles with no notice while he had just drained the car.

The point is that for rational people, they want to know the charging exist s so they can drive where they want if and when that happens. Other than N orth Dakota Tesla Superchargers allow that in most of the US. GM is not pa rt of any charging solution and so Bolts remain tethered to an owner's home by the range tether.

When GM finally gets its head in the game they will produce competitive EVs . But until then, they are hardly even an also ran. It's like they never actually intended for the Bolt to be a success.

Weird statement about a car I see more of on the road around here than the Model 3, by far.

Nobody is "serious" other than the one company, that is serious. If anyone says they are also serious, see first statement. You are a True Fanboi, in the service of the One True EV. Distribute referral codes to the faithless generously, and blessings be upon Lord Musk (PBUH) so it is written, amen.

Tesla also has a demographics problem wrt to their sales the overwhelming majority of Model 3s sold domestically are sold to a similar demographic, middle-aged white males in the IT/technology sector in California.

That's one reason I probably see more Bolts than I do Model 3s around here because 50% of the drivers/owners are women. I saw a woman driving a Tesla, one time. I see more women than men driving Volts.

They are going to run out of tech dudes to sell these cars to, eventually, the market will saturate.

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rip charging. What you see is not at all indicative of much of anything re garding Tesla popularity. We all know Larkin hates Musk and so hates Tesla irrationally. You seem to be very jealous of Tesla's success in a market where it can only be said that GM has failed.

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wner never uses a supercharger, they want to know they are there if they ev er decide to take a trip. People like Larkin are intimidated by the rapid success of Tesla, so he has to research them so he can knock every little n it about them to the point of making up BS about getting trapped in snow dr ifts. Someone else here has to dig so deep for him to come up with crap li ke needing to drive hundreds of miles with no notice while he had just drai ned the car.

xists so they can drive where they want if and when that happens. Other th an North Dakota Tesla Superchargers allow that in most of the US. GM is no t part of any charging solution and so Bolts remain tethered to an owner's home by the range tether.

EVs. But until then, they are hardly even an also ran. It's like they ne ver actually intended for the Bolt to be a success.

You can call names if you want. The facts speak for themselves. Half a mi llion cars so far and it will reach nearly a million by the end of the year . Then production in China will add another 300k per year, then the model Y will add another 300k, etc. etc.

Tesla has done something pretty special. They have brought electric vehicl es to mass production. It's not just me. There are more than half a milli on people who voted with their wallets.

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Fake Stat!

You are like Trump.

You are funny.

Motorcycles have better market appeal to female buyers than Tesla products do.

Sometimes driving is fun, like on a twisty hilly road. Straight-line on a freeway is not much fun. I just want to get that sort of driving over. Mo doesn't mind driving the flats, so she lets me do the fun parts.

Not for the hours they sit in a charging station.

Their ideas, often. I try to not change my objective concepts based on their personalities. That would be stupid, being wrong and yielding them power that they certainly don't deserve.

Some of the biggest disasters in human history resulted from people allowing the emotional force of others to bend their ability to reason. It's really hard to think clearly inside a brain sloshing with emotion and fear.

Insults and swearing are easy. Electronic design is more difficult.