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Re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
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And can you also not imagine a mechanism"

What is all this shit about methane. The boiling point of methane is 111 Kelvin. What part of the Earth is 111 Kelvin ? That is -162C, the coldest temperature ever recorded on Earth was in Antarctica and it was -89C.  

Or do you figure it is trapped and under pressure ? Just how much pressure would it take to get the boiling point up to, -89C ?  

If you find liquid methane on this planet it is under pressure. And all that pressure is contained by ice and when the ice melts it is going to blow up like a propane tank shot by a 30.06 ? BOOM !

Do I got this right or what ?  

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Look up 'clathrate'.

Jeroen Belleman

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On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 4:49:19 AM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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You can have many things right but still be wrong in what you are thinking.  

Rick C.  

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On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 11:40:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
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Pointless to be afraid because there's nothing that can be done about it. I
t only recently dawned on the geniuses that the Earth is not warming unifor
mly around the globe. Latitudes above 70o at both poles are heating at 8x t
he rate of equatorial climate, and this is exactly the territory that is th
e most dangerous. Revised estimates have already put the global average abo
ve the pathetically inadequate Paris agreement avoidance endpoint for the y
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 23:57:05 -0700 (PDT),
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Excellent observation. Now let's talk about electronic design, which
is the group topic.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement  

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Re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
On 2018/07/07 4:26 PM, John Larkin wrote:
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Granted the Yellowstone cauldron is serious cause for concern - hard to  
imagine evacuating 1/2 the USA and southern Canada if it ever was  
getting ready to go:

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/yellowstones-supervolcano-literally-changing-shape-why/

However the clearest threats that impact all human civilized life I see,  
that are not man made, are either meteoric or solar flares. Either of  
which could really ruin one's day...

We can do something about both of them, first one NASA and other  
agencies are working on detecting then figuring out how to deflect, the  
second one requires all electricity producing nations to harden their  
infrastructure, and for electronics manufacturers to harden their stuff  
too. That is far less likely to happen...I would invest seriously in MOV  
makers though if hardening products ever too wing.

John :-#(#
PS, locally we have our own minor equivalent of Mt. St. Helens - Mount  
Baker:
http://chis.nrcan.gc.ca/volcano-volcan/mt-baker-en.php

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The big distribution transformers and breakers take years to order and
build. If some serious fraction of them got zapped, we'd be rationing
electricity for a decade.

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I've skiied on Mt Pluto.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pluto,_California

but this part of the sierras is pretty inactive just now. But then, 2
million years is a geological blip.



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jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
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On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 8:32:54 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
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Geological and fossil records, tree rings, and lots of
other kinds of records that aren't exactly 'historic' in nature.

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No, the children's tale of the talking chicken doesn't have the
same credibility as climate change in this context.

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On 06/07/18 01:32, John Robertson wrote:
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Nah. Too many people are wearing Zaphod Beeblebrox's
sunglasses.

(40 years ago?! Aargh!)

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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 2:32:54 AM UTC+2, John Robertson wrote:
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 series of sudden and catastrophic ecosystem shifts that have occurred rece
ntly across Australia.
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and extreme weather events, are overwhelming ecosystems? natural re
silience."
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Australia has always had an erratic climate - which is Jahred Diamond's exp
lanation of why agriculture never got going in Australia.

Australia is particularly sensitive to the el Nino/la Nina alternation in t
he Pacific, but there are other things going on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goyder%27s_Line

Goyder mapped it in 1865, but good rains that year prompted farmers to set  
up farms to the northe of that line. The farms were abandoned a few years l
ater, when much less rain fell in subsequent years.

Precisely which of the ocean currents around Australia move aroubd to give  
multi-decadal changes in climate isn't yet known, but they do make life dif
ficult for farmers.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 8:19:08 AM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote:
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Jared Diamond is a laughing stock within the plant science community, he ha
s no credibility there. Archaeologists know now the aborigines permanently  
altered the climate of Australia with their large scale burning of forests  
to create more grasslands, and modern weather models have confirmed their b
urning caused delayed and erratic monsoon seasons, generally making the pla
ce drier than it was prior to their arrival.

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set up farms to the northe of that line. The farms were abandoned a few yea
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has no credibility there.  

Cite?

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Australia with their large scale burning of forests to create more grasslan
ds, and modern weather models have confirmed their burning caused delayed a
nd erratic monsoon seasons, generally making the place drier than it was pr
ior to their arrival.

So did Jahred Diamond. It's mentioned in his book, Guns Germs, and Steel.

The hypothesis that their buring off altered the landscape enough to have a
ny effect on the nauture and extent of monsoon rains doesn't show up, proba
bly because it's one more ill-supported hypothesis.

Monsoon rains cover huge areas, and the propopsotion that some localised bu
rning off would move them around isn't all that plausible.

A citation would be nice.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney


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The doomsday industry is trapped in a requirement to predict
exponentially-scarier stuff, to keep their funding constant.




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Re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
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series of sudden and catastrophic ecosystem shifts that have occurred recen
tly across Australia.
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nd extreme weather events, are overwhelming ecosystems? natural res
ilience."
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ingness, except excess heat, so no one really cares just yet.
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TBH it's hard to know what's true and what's made up,  
unless you are deep into the community.  

I saw some report that in all science there are more  
exclamatory adjectives than ever before... a clamor to  
be noticed.  

George H.    
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Re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
On 07/05/18 22:36, George Herold wrote:
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Science is in a mess generally, especially fields that rely on  
statistics.  For a real eye-opener, have a squint at this:

https://www.nas.org/projects/irreproducibility_report

Well researched and thoroughly documented.  It would be horrifying if I  
hadn't been watching it happen by way of the papers I get sent to review.

As Rutherford famously said, "If your experiment needs statistics, you  
ought to have done a better experiment." ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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Re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 4:24:40 PM UTC+2, Phil Hobbs wrote:
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 a series of sudden and catastrophic ecosystem shifts that have occurred re
cently across Australia.
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e and extreme weather events, are overwhelming ecosystems? natural  
resilience."
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othingness, except excess heat, so no one really cares just yet.
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As Theodore Sturgeon said, 90% of everything is rubbish. The median scienti
fic author published one paper, and the typical scienntific author shouldn'
t have published any.

Papers one get sent to review mostly get rejected.

Rutherford was wrong aqbout statistics - there are lot of areas which don't
 lend thenselves to neat experiments - but it's not well taught, and there  
are quite a few people around who use statistics without understanding what
 they are doing and why.

The papers that last, and keep on getting cited, are rather better. Science
 is one giant error-detecting and error correcting mechanism, and peer-revi
ewed pulbication is just one more stage in the process.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 4:12:33 AM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
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series of sudden and catastrophic ecosystem shifts that have occurred recen
tly across Australia.
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nd extreme weather events, are overwhelming ecosystems? natural res
ilience."
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ingness, except excess heat, so no one really cares just yet.
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Twaddle. Over-dramatic predictions are more likely to get into the popular  
press, but the popular press has got nothing to do with which grants get fu
nded.

The popular press does mine the peer-reviewed literature for attention gett
ing stories, and anthropogenic global warming does generate them, but the p
opular press doesn't get to choose which grants get funded.

All the studies that say "nothing much is going to happen in this particula
r area" don't get any attention from the popular press, nor from John Larki
n's favourite denialist websites.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 07/05/18 22:12, John Larkin wrote:
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Well, essentially all the wildlife in Australia is trying to kill you  
anyway.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:11:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs

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Almost made me spill my coffee. It's a sin to waste coffee.


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Re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 4:11:24 PM UTC+2, Phil Hobbs wrote:
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Not exactly true. None of then has any interest in seeing you dead, because
 none of then can eat you. There are bunch of very deadly snakes, spiders a
nd jellyfish, not to mention the tiny blue-ringed octopus but you'll only e
nd up dead if you frighten or at least disturb them.

They'd be just as happy if you collapsed in agony.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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