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If the temp goes up a few degrees C, food will be cheaper and we can cast off one layer of blankets from our bed in the summertime.

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So the question is, what caused all this progress?

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American Universities do care about Nobel prizes (and incipient Nobel prize s).

They can use them to attract fee-paying students, which is an entirely comm ercial calculation.

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The federal government has no role in elections. How would you ban political parties if you wanted to? All a party is, is a collection of like-minded people.

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Meanwhile we're careening towards socialism and bankruptcy (though I repeat myself).

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Of course it does. A big role.

How would you ban

As I said, ban official recognition of parties in government functions. In seating and committee assignments in Congress, on ballots, in all official functions.

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The US government can't go bankrupt as long as it can print money.

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What less well documented is the fact that the constitution was actually co bbled together to create a document that all of the thirteen original state s would agree to. The electoral college was touted by Hamilton as device to allow rational representatives to reject Trump-like presidential candidate s - which was never going to happen - when it fact it was a device to allow small states to gang up to reject a presidential candidate from a large st ate that the small states didn't happen to like.

Trump electoral success despite his losing the popular vote means that it d id exactly what it was intended to do, and illustrates the fact that the fo unding tax evaders weren't all that clever - it's not a feature that any su bsequent constitution has incorporated.

It wasn't so much debated as misrepresented by the authors as being much mo re noble and rational than it actually was - the Federalist papers were a s now job.

The Articles of Confederation might have been a prototype, but they had to be adopted before they could be tested, and the Whiskey Rebellion followed almost immediately, pointing up a defect in the design which wasn't actuall y corrected - the Whiskey Rebellion was crushed rather than the whiskey tax law being repealed (which didn't happen until some ten years later).

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James Arthur imagines himself to be an American patrician, where he's more a groupie of the rich people who own and run the country - roughly the top

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John Larkin is gullible. He believes the guff he finds about climate change on denialist web-sites, and his acceptance of James Arthur's idolatry of the founding tax evaders exhibits the same failure in critical thinking.

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I'm waiting... The feds don't even pay for them (other than DC).

That's entirely up to the members of Congress and has nothing to do with the Constitution (look it up) nor is it even codified. It's simply a group of like minded people, who happen to be elected members. There is no formal recognition needed. Crazy Bernie isn't a Democrat but caucuses with them.

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Oh, yes it can. When no one accepts that paper in trade, they're bankrupt. See: Venezuela (the Democrats' grand vision for the US).

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FEC. Voting Rights Act. NRVA. HAVA. Constitution section 4. Lots of Federal court rulings.

Seating is by party. Committee assignments are by party. Nearly all election ballots identify candidates and entire slates by party, in clear print. People vote in partisan primaries. That's all formal recognition of parties.

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When the Feds start printing money and inflate away their debt at 10% or so per year, are you going to stop using dollars? Convert all your savings to roubles?

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Krw probably meant "career". The US may be moving towards democratic social ism - as practiced in Germany and Scandinavia - but it's making very slow p rogress.

Neither Germany or Scandinavia is moving towards bankruptcy - democratic so cialism collects more in taxes and spends most of the extra on making the w ork force healthier and more productive, which is an excellent way of avoid ing bankruptcy.

What krw understands by "socialism" is what everybody else calls "communism " which is rule by a small elite. Since the US is largely ruled by the top

1% of the income distribution for the benefit of the top 1% of the income d istribution, it's not careering towards that state but rather stuck there.

One of the effects of that kind of oligarchical rule is that country doesn' t spend enough on it's work force to keep it maximally productive, which do es lead to bankruptcy - the history of the Dutch Republic's decline from it 's Golden Age is just that kind of sad story.

Trump's enthusiasm to start a trade war could be the first step down that s lippery slope.

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American politics and big business responsible for most of it. Tell me how well it has worked when you're in your death throes.

This is cherry-picking out of the likely consequences of anthropogenic glob al warming.

The tropical hurricanes that hit the south-east of the US are going to get more intense. A super-Katrina or a super-Harvey could cause damage that eve n John Larkin might notice.

The graph runs from 1990 to 2015. The likeliest answer is that the author w as also cherry-picking his data.

It's worth noting that US child mortality is high for an advanced industria l country

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It's 32nd in the rankings with a rate of 6.5 per 1000 live births, almost t wice what you see in Australia (3.7) Germany (3.8) which are 17th 19th resp ectively.

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US has its strengths. But like everywhere it has its problems too. The corrupt medical system is a good example.

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The salary of a US VPt for eight years, is a lot of dimes.

You have the internet because of him, back when he only had a senator's stipend. Don't begrudge him a bit of coin from his other works.

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That's the result of concentrating power in Washington.

Now, 51% can impose their way of life on the other 49%, and you can have

49% of the nation upset all the time over being forced to do things they oppose. That inherently creates factions and strife.

Given two contentious issues, a majority can be unhappy even if each issue is decided by majority vote.

But that's the opposite of the original design, which was for the central government to leave people alone to live as they wished in their own states , yet facilitate their coming together as a nation for the purposes where that was needed, too.

The progressives have changed America to a centrally-controlled thing quite different from the Constitution. Don't blame the original design for that.

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The founding tax evaders did concetrate power in Washington. They didn't ha ve a lot of choice - if they wanted the US to act as a united country, they had to have capital where decisions could be made promptly. Every other co untry has made exactly the same choice.

Quite how this might have created two elites and split them as far away fro m centrism as possible escapes me.

That is what happens when you have democratically elected majority governme nts.

Quite a bit of the time, both sides of politics have much the same idea abo ut how the country should be run, but when the Tea Party Republicans are ru n by the Koch brothers, the interests of non-billionaires have to be looked after by the Democratic Party which creates a certain tension between the top 1% of the income distribution whom the Republicans will look after, and the remaining 99% who have stronger interest in services outside of defens e, law enforcement and a transport network.

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When the decisions have a marked tendency to serve the interests of small - but very well-heeled minority - plutocracy does leave the majority feeling decidedly ill-served.

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Where you've got fast communications, de-centralised control can work, but the US constitution preceded even the semaphore telegraph by a couple of ye ars - the first practical system went into action - in France - in 1792.

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James Arthur is bitching about get taxed to pay for stuff that he doesn't l ike. If he had a legitimate objection he could form a political party - pr esumably called the Party for Short-sighted Avarice - and see it get an ele ctoral majority that could legislate away all the expenditures he doesn't l ike. Since he's just right-wing lunatic with silly ideas, this approach isn 't going to work and he chooses to see his silly ideas as the "correct" leg al interpretations of a rather primitive constitution.

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No. It's the result of non-mandatory voting.

No, what happens is 21% can impose their way of life on the other 79% merely because 58% think everything is broken and are completely disengaged from the political process.

The 51% thing is a problem with any democracy. The only reason it's ever better than 51% is due to honour... which is in very short supply these days.

In Australia, almost everyone shows up. Some choose to spoil their vote, but most have some sense of responsibility, even if only at election time.

Clifford Heath.

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I thought I heard that you get fined ~$10 or something, if you don't vote in Aus. It could be an urban legend. George H.

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