Californica solar requirements screw all...

Californica solar requirements screw all...

have solar panels as their source of energy."

Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-}

You're all screwed. ...Jim Thompson

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Not unless I decide to sell and buy something else, and that's unlikely.

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Sooner, or later, you won't be with us, and the house will be sold... your heirs will bear the cost. ...Jim Thompson

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I wonder if any of the proponents of this idea did the math? I haven't read (or found) the bill, but I suspect that they're talking about grid tied solar power, which only generates power during daylight hours and has no storage. So, we can get to 50% or 100% solar power, but only during daylight hours and probably only during the summer. To make it through the night, grid tied solar systems will need to generate about twice the daytime energy, in order to run the house at night, and share any surplus with the neighbors. Looks like Elon Musk's Power Wall will be a necessity as the trend is for owners of solar power systems to become a "self-consumer" by storing and using the energy themselves, rather than selling it to the utility at a fraction of it's replacement cost.

There's a nice article on battery bank selection and sizing in the current issue of Home Power magazine:

Not yet, but I will be if I don't get off the computah and back to working.

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The cost of solar cells has halved twice in the last decade or so, and if w e move onto making enough of them to generate most of our electricty, the c ost is going to at least halve again.

Whether solar cells will be cheaper than roofiing tiles is anybodies guess, but the cost isn't going to be dramatic.

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It will sell for at least 5x what we paid for it. They'll do OK.

And can't you get solar on one of those no-cost deals?

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This is one part where I have to agree with Jim.

People say "what is the risk of the following the precautionary principle" and this is the answer. Overzealous governments bankrupt their people to solve a problem that may not exist. I'm afraid the alarmist Cassandras have won this round.

John

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Well, at least this is one piece of legislative lunacy we here in soggy/ foggy GB will be spared. :-D

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I am half and half. New homes, yes. Resale homes, NO. For new homes, the cost of solar materials are insignificant. Installations and inspections are the main costs anyway. For resale homes, NO WAY.

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"no-cost" ???.

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Everything is FREE in Californica >:-}

Those "no-cost deals" are actually leases, often providing the Federal kickback to the installing company, rather than the homeowner.

They've been declared illegal in Arizona and the solar scam advertising has dropped to virtually zero.

Home purchasers had to agree to pick up the leases for the lien holder (installing company) to allow the sale.

But, who knows, Californica politicians are "owned" by special interests, not by the voters. ...Jim Thompson

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Figure about $25,000 to $35,000 USD for a typical plug-n-play solar rooftop grid tied installation. Not exactly insignificant. Since the builder has to cover his construction loan and make a profit on the installation, those numbers are rather low and could easily increase.

The price of a building permit from the People's Republic of Santa Cruz for a roof replacement is $500 and about $300 for an expedited solar install and about $600 for the electrical inspections: For extra entertainment, here's the permit cost estimator, which the county does not consider to be the actual costs:

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we move onto making enough of them to generate most of our electricty, the cost is going to at least halve again.

s, but the cost isn't going to be dramatic.

You should see the cost estimates consumer reports did of the Tesla roofing tile technology. Even a 3000 sf house with his PowerWall backup came in at $82k. Even a reasonably small house of 1500 sf came in at $42k. And the fu nctionality was assuming optimal roof orientation and regional insolation. I think they just got them to break even over 20 years but they neglected t o account for the interest on that loan. I wonder when people are going to realize this whatshisname is full of shit up to his ears. And those collect or tiles have been around at least a decade before Tesla introduced them, s o nothing new there. Then those scumbags at Google did a press release abou t two months ago announcing solar panels were viable for 4 out of 5 America n homes. They're another bunch full of shit or they have another definition of viable no one else uses. The Department of Energy has thoroughly survey ed the American landscape and estimated less than 10% of homes are suitable . Residential solar is not feasible, the answer is large solar farms built and maintained by the utility companies. And it is particularly stupid for places like California with huge expanses available for solar farms to mand ate residential solar.

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Lease

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It's just Jim falling for another fake-news fantasy piece.

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Little wonder I couldn't find the actual bill. It's been "proposed" but hasn't even been written, much less submitted to the various committees yet. It will surely change as it hits the legislature.

Oddly, the press seems to be treating the proposal as if the unwritten measure has already been passed. With articles like the above simply assuming that it will pass, and moving on from there, it seems much like an exercise in promotional propaganda.

This is an only slightly more sane article on the topic: As always, San Francisco leads the insanity.

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That's the way it has always worked with any of the renewable or energy eff iciency credits. The thieving contractor marks up to the credit. Then these leases are long term jobs like 20 years, you're locked in on that one. Lik e I said, a nation of certifiable morons.

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SF is a terrible place for residential solar panels. It's pretty far north and often foggy. No residences that I know of have a/c. Our gas+electric bill runs about $100 a month.

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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Some of them even make you give up the rights to your roof.

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Jim hates and obsesses over California; I'm not sure why.

It would make more sense to hate Illinois or New Jersey. I don't hate Arizona; I just avoid it.

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