A pair of LM2940CT-s getting hot - is this normal?

Hello,

I'm working on a project where I use a pair of LM2940s in cascade to get a 12V and 5V. Here is what I do for the power supply:

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What I am powering up is:

a) a pair of 7-segment LEDs - only one digit is on at any time, i.e. 7- LEDs maximum are on; b) a 12V / 0.18A fan (powered directly from the output of the 12V LM2940); c) a PIC16F690 microcontroller, working on 3.58MHz.

The LMs get pretty hot when all this junk is running. When I stop the fan, the LMs are just warm (just a note here - the fan's purpose is _not_ to cool down the LMs - it is running in a separate compartment).

I put a heatsink and they don't get really hot anymore, but this worries me. Is it normal for LM2940s to get hot? I've been working with 7805s, and in my experience those do not get hot that easy - but on the other hand, I haven't used the 7805s to power up much more than a microcontroller and a couple of LEDs.

I checked the LM2940 specs (here it is:

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and, as far as I can tell, everything is as it should be. Any clues?

Regards,

- Alex

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Alexander Avtanski
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16V-22V in, 12V out = 4V-10V drop.

(the other two are negligible).

0.18A * 4V-10V = 0.72W-1.8W.

Thermal Resistance 3-Lead TO-220 4 °C/W Junction-to-Case 3-Lead TO-263 4 °C/W

Thermal Resistance 3-Lead TO-220 60 °C/W Junction-to-Ambient 3-Lead TO-263 80 °C/W

For the TO-220 (it's worse for the TO-263):

1.8W * 60°C/W = 108°C junction-to-ambient. 1.8W*4°C/W = 7.2°C junction-to-case, which implies 100.8°C case-to-ambient. IOW, if ambient is 25°C, the case will be at 125.8°C, which probably fits the definition of "hot".

Also, the junction will be at 133°C, which exceeds the maximum operating temperature.

Add a heatsink. One barely larger than the package will provide ~25°C/W, which is enough to stop it cooking itself.

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Nobody

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Thanks. That was very useful and interesting too. I've never paid much attention to thermal requirements until now - I just took the power supply for granted.

Regards,

- Alex

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Alexander Avtanski

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Thanks. That was very helpful and interesting too. So far I've never paid much attention to the thermal requirements - I just took the power supply for granted.

The main problem was that I had in my head that the LM2940-s work in switching mode, so the power dissipation surprised me.

- Alex

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Alexander Avtanski

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Did you read the part about using low ESR caps on the output ?

They must be close to the output leg and with a good run of copper to reduce board R.

some circuits become a little unstable and may cause a small internal oscillation due to the output not having a low ESR storage.

in any case, something to look at, I know what you're saying about using the 78xx with out heat sinks, I've done that also in small circuits like that and they operate cool how ever, they are not designed the same way as the 2940.

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Jamie

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Can you get away with a lower supply voltage and use a low drop out regulator for the 12 V?

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RFI-EMI-GUY

That's an idea, if the things get too hot. For now however, with added heatsink, I have no problem. I was just not sure that the heating was normal.

Thanks,

- Alex

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Alexander Avtanski

I read that and gave it a try (temporarily attaching a small cap on the other side of the board) but it didn't help. So, I guess this is not the problem.

Thanks,

- Alex

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Alexander Avtanski

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