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- 06-10-2009
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| Giblets | 06-10-2009 |
 Re: more on communism
| Bill Sloman | 06-10-2009 |
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From an investment newsletter...
"In my opinion Americans are a little bit hysterical about communism. As
soon as a societal function is performed by the Government they believe
this is a sign of advancing communist ruling. In their eyes we in Europe
seem to be all diehard communists who suffer under bureaucratic ruling
with high taxes and a severe restriction of individual freedom. That is
a misunderstanding. While a communist system is in principle
undemocratic (ruling by the proletariat, whatever that means) and all
the power is with the 'Nomenclatura' consisting of important party
members (not elected) who are enriching themselves at the expense of the
ordinary people. No freedom of speech. A not independent juridical
system, and - most important- all the means of production are owned by
the 'Party'. Knowing that, you cannot but admit that nor the US nor
Europe are communist ruled. You could argue though that there are signs
of a leftish tendency. I believe that this is a healthy reaction to the
absurd and uncontrolled behaviour of economic subjects who have
forgotten that even the most diehard kapitalist has certain societal
responsibilities. We can think about societal destabilisation caused by
these subjects and supported by the former government." ? Paid-up
subscriber Jaap Schwarz
Ferris comment: In the U.S., we've been living under a communist regime
since I can remember. It's easy to prove it, too. Under communism, you
don't own anything. It's all the property of the people (the government).
No matter where you live in the U.S., if you stop paying the rent on
your home, the real owner (the government) will show up and kick you
out. The rent I'm referring to is property tax. If you stop paying it,
no court in the country will do anything but find you guilty of not
paying your taxes.
So private property is nonexistent in the U.S. The federales can kick
your front door in anytime they want, abuse you any way they feel like,
and destroy everything you own. When they do, you will have no legal
recourse.
No freedom. No justice. Moot freedom of speech "privileges." What else
do you call this but communism?
Robert please go post this stuff on a politics or whatever group. I've seen
other good groups turn to crap real quick when the politics/religion/AGW
bullshit starts and all it needs is a seed.
regards.
Since governments right across the ideological spectrum behave in exactly
this way, Ferris ought to have been able to find a number of other names
that would have fitted just as well. He appears to be both ignorant and
stupid.
A more realistic way of looking at the situation is to see the government as
the biggest and most successful protection racket around. If you fail to pay
your protection money, they will send in their enforcers to remind you of
the dangers that you would be exposed to if they withdrew their protection.
The ideological justifications for this activity vary from regime to regime,
but the behaviour remains constant.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
"In my opinion Americans are a little bit hysterical about communism. As
soon as a societal function is performed by the Government they believe
this is a sign of advancing communist ruling. In their eyes we in Europe
seem to be all diehard communists who suffer under bureaucratic ruling
with high taxes and a severe restriction of individual freedom. That is
a misunderstanding. While a communist system is in principle
undemocratic (ruling by the proletariat, whatever that means) and all
the power is with the 'Nomenclatura' consisting of important party
members (not elected) who are enriching themselves at the expense of the
ordinary people. No freedom of speech. A not independent juridical
system, and - most important- all the means of production are owned by
the 'Party'. Knowing that, you cannot but admit that nor the US nor
Europe are communist ruled. You could argue though that there are signs
of a leftish tendency. I believe that this is a healthy reaction to the
absurd and uncontrolled behaviour of economic subjects who have
forgotten that even the most diehard kapitalist has certain societal
responsibilities. We can think about societal destabilisation caused by
these subjects and supported by the former government." ? Paid-up
subscriber Jaap Schwarz
Ferris comment: In the U.S., we've been living under a communist regime
since I can remember. It's easy to prove it, too. Under communism, you
don't own anything. It's all the property of the people (the government).
No matter where you live in the U.S., if you stop paying the rent on
your home, the real owner (the government) will show up and kick you
out. The rent I'm referring to is property tax. If you stop paying it,
no court in the country will do anything but find you guilty of not
paying your taxes.
So private property is nonexistent in the U.S. The federales can kick
your front door in anytime they want, abuse you any way they feel like,
and destroy everything you own. When they do, you will have no legal
recourse.
No freedom. No justice. Moot freedom of speech "privileges." What else
do you call this but communism?
Robert please go post this stuff on a politics or whatever group. I've seen
other good groups turn to crap real quick when the politics/religion/AGW
bullshit starts and all it needs is a seed.
regards.
> From an investment newsletter...
> "In my opinion Americans are a little bit hysterical about communism. As
> soon as a societal function is performed by the Government they believe
> this is a sign of advancing communist ruling. In their eyes we in Europe
> seem to be all diehard communists who suffer under bureaucratic ruling
> with high taxes and a severe restriction of individual freedom. That is a
> misunderstanding. While a communist system is in principle undemocratic
> (ruling by the proletariat, whatever that means) and all the power is with
> the 'Nomenclatura' consisting of important party members (not elected) who
> are enriching themselves at the expense of the ordinary people. No freedom
> of speech. A not independent juridical system, and - most important- all
> the means of production are owned by the 'Party'. Knowing that, you cannot
> but admit that nor the US nor Europe are communist ruled. You could argue
> though that there are signs of a leftish tendency. I believe that this is
> a healthy reaction to the absurd and uncontrolled behaviour of economic
> subjects who have forgotten that even the most diehard kapitalist has
> certain societal responsibilities. We can think about societal
> destabilisation caused by these subjects and supported by the former
> government." ? Paid-up subscriber Jaap Schwarz
> Ferris comment: In the U.S., we've been living under a communist regime
> since I can remember. It's easy to prove it, too. Under communism, you
> don't own anything. It's all the property of the people (the government).
> No matter where you live in the U.S., if you stop paying the rent on your
> home, the real owner (the government) will show up and kick you out. The
> rent I'm referring to is property tax. If you stop paying it, no court in
> the country will do anything but find you guilty of not paying your taxes.
> So private property is nonexistent in the U.S. The federales can kick your
> front door in anytime they want, abuse you any way they feel like, and
> destroy everything you own. When they do, you will have no legal recourse.
> No freedom. No justice. Moot freedom of speech "privileges." What else do
> you call this but communism?
> "In my opinion Americans are a little bit hysterical about communism. As
> soon as a societal function is performed by the Government they believe
> this is a sign of advancing communist ruling. In their eyes we in Europe
> seem to be all diehard communists who suffer under bureaucratic ruling
> with high taxes and a severe restriction of individual freedom. That is a
> misunderstanding. While a communist system is in principle undemocratic
> (ruling by the proletariat, whatever that means) and all the power is with
> the 'Nomenclatura' consisting of important party members (not elected) who
> are enriching themselves at the expense of the ordinary people. No freedom
> of speech. A not independent juridical system, and - most important- all
> the means of production are owned by the 'Party'. Knowing that, you cannot
> but admit that nor the US nor Europe are communist ruled. You could argue
> though that there are signs of a leftish tendency. I believe that this is
> a healthy reaction to the absurd and uncontrolled behaviour of economic
> subjects who have forgotten that even the most diehard kapitalist has
> certain societal responsibilities. We can think about societal
> destabilisation caused by these subjects and supported by the former
> government." ? Paid-up subscriber Jaap Schwarz
> Ferris comment: In the U.S., we've been living under a communist regime
> since I can remember. It's easy to prove it, too. Under communism, you
> don't own anything. It's all the property of the people (the government).
> No matter where you live in the U.S., if you stop paying the rent on your
> home, the real owner (the government) will show up and kick you out. The
> rent I'm referring to is property tax. If you stop paying it, no court in
> the country will do anything but find you guilty of not paying your taxes.
> So private property is nonexistent in the U.S. The federales can kick your
> front door in anytime they want, abuse you any way they feel like, and
> destroy everything you own. When they do, you will have no legal recourse.
> No freedom. No justice. Moot freedom of speech "privileges." What else do
> you call this but communism?
Since governments right across the ideological spectrum behave in exactly
this way, Ferris ought to have been able to find a number of other names
that would have fitted just as well. He appears to be both ignorant and
stupid.
A more realistic way of looking at the situation is to see the government as
the biggest and most successful protection racket around. If you fail to pay
your protection money, they will send in their enforcers to remind you of
the dangers that you would be exposed to if they withdrew their protection.
The ideological justifications for this activity vary from regime to regime,
but the behaviour remains constant.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
- OT: Communism in the US
- June 9, 2009, 1:49 am
- Death by Communism
- May 15, 2006, 10:44 am
> "In my opinion Americans are a little bit hysterical about communism. As
> soon as a societal function is performed by the Government they believe
> this is a sign of advancing communist ruling. In their eyes we in Europe
> seem to be all diehard communists who suffer under bureaucratic ruling
> with high taxes and a severe restriction of individual freedom. That is a
> misunderstanding. While a communist system is in principle undemocratic
> (ruling by the proletariat, whatever that means) and all the power is with
> the 'Nomenclatura' consisting of important party members (not elected) who
> are enriching themselves at the expense of the ordinary people. No freedom
> of speech. A not independent juridical system, and - most important- all
> the means of production are owned by the 'Party'. Knowing that, you cannot
> but admit that nor the US nor Europe are communist ruled. You could argue
> though that there are signs of a leftish tendency. I believe that this is
> a healthy reaction to the absurd and uncontrolled behaviour of economic
> subjects who have forgotten that even the most diehard kapitalist has
> certain societal responsibilities. We can think about societal
> destabilisation caused by these subjects and supported by the former
> government." ? Paid-up subscriber Jaap Schwarz
> Ferris comment: In the U.S., we've been living under a communist regime
> since I can remember. It's easy to prove it, too. Under communism, you
> don't own anything. It's all the property of the people (the government).
> No matter where you live in the U.S., if you stop paying the rent on your
> home, the real owner (the government) will show up and kick you out. The
> rent I'm referring to is property tax. If you stop paying it, no court in
> the country will do anything but find you guilty of not paying your taxes.
> So private property is nonexistent in the U.S. The federales can kick your
> front door in anytime they want, abuse you any way they feel like, and
> destroy everything you own. When they do, you will have no legal recourse.
> No freedom. No justice. Moot freedom of speech "privileges." What else do
> you call this but communism?