Who Killed the Electric Car?

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No, but I\'ve certainly lived in enough places out of the US to
remember having seen the orange label.

BTW, did you know that Lea and Perrins is owned by Heinz?

http://www.heinz.com/World.aspx#23

JF

--- Sure you did.

You stated, in your always America-bashing way, that there was no way to standardize the measure, when what appears on our bottles is standard US fluid ounces and standard everywhere milliliters. (Which, BTW, yields a handy conversion, if it's necessary) That works for us, which really rankles you since you want to think that we're all slack-jawed knuckle-draggers and the UK is the elite be-all and end-all of everything, even though your Lea and Perrins bottle sports both fluid ounces and milliliters, just like ours, and is owned by an American company, Heinz.

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--- Disagreeing with you is hardly getting my knickers in a twist, and if it's a sea of our own, as you imply, why should that concern you?

The fact is, you ingrate, that you and your ilk are so into England becoming the Washington, D.C. of the United States of Europe and don't want to have to admit that the US is the model which you're emulating that you'll go to great lengths to try to discredit us, even though we had the idea first.

After India, of course.

But what did that democracy mean to you as a system of government?

Nothing.

All you were interested in was lining your coffers with ill-gotten goods.

The same goes for the middle east, where you chopped up territories according to the whims of politicians and other idiots who thought they knew what might be good borders and created enemies where none had existed before.

Truth be told, IMO, you people are the reason for the unrest in the middle east and why the tensions in the world are now where they are.

JF

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Lies? 

How would _you_ know?
 
No matter what you say, whatever you say makes you look stupid, so why
do you keep hanging around?

I guess you\'re looking for your fair share of abuse.

JF

Yes, you are. Thank you for finally admitting it.

-- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell Central Florida

They don't want to confuse small minds like yours, that can't do more then the simplest math.

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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I\'ve got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

He's greedy. He wants ALL of the abuse.

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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I\'ve got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

I said there are 3 standards.

No, it's marked in ml and BRITISH fl oz over here. Yours is marked in US fl oz and ml.

So what ?

I'm not interested in playing your silly game any more.

Graham

You can start here ....

" The car's top speed was electronically limited to 80 mph "

Furthermore, as a 2 seater model only it was never a practical car for most people.

Graham

TWIT

Fluid ounces serve no practical purpose.

FYI when I started studing physics we briefly used the Imperial system and it made no sense at all what with crazy measures like foot-poundals et al. Luckily we rapidly changed to cgs and then MKS (the precursor of SI) and all of a sudden all was clear.

I went on to get top grades in my Physics 'O' level (age 16) and 'A' level (age

18) exams and furthermore got a pass (a second only sadly - the electronic content that year was low) in the Physics 'S level' (special paper) normally only typically taken by Oxford and Cambridge entrants (our 'Ivy Leauge' if you like). The school wanted me to apply to Cambridge actually but they didn't offer any specialist electronic courses, they were still stuck with 'natural sciences', so I went to the University of London (UCL).

Doing Physics in Imperial measures is NUTS. Never mind that American measures use the same names but are different ! What a bloody mess !

Graham

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Surely, you must be joking!

I can\'t imagine why our bottles would be marked as containing US fluid
ounces.

How clever of the bottlers!

No.

Those are facts. Are you seriously not capable of seeing / understanding that for yourself ?

Graham

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And yet...

Take a look at this:

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/library/nobel/

Perhaps the difficulty in dealing with non-Metric units has resulted
in what appears to be our overwhelming scientific superiority.

JF

Don't give a shit.

use

I dunno--I usually use Gaussian units, because of all those silly epsilon-noughts and mu-noughts you have to worry about in the SI system. God clearly meant us to use Gaussian units, because to engineering accuracy 1 cm = 1 pF. (*) Anyway, you only need the units once the physics is done and you're descending to mere engineering. ;)

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

(*) God also wants us to use English units, as you can tell from the cosmically revealed fact that 1 attoparsec equals almost exactly 1 decifoot.

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I see you snipped the sarcasm...

What\'s the matter, donkey-boy, didn\'t you get it?

JF

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Then what\'s the snippety-snip for and what\'s all your braying about?

JF

A ford Fusion for what? MPG 20/29! Cripes my Toyota pickup truck gets better than that! Obviously nobody ESPECIALLY those at GM have ANY intention of dealing with running out of oil! They also seem to prefer taking a backseat in the auto industry allowing other companies to actually be number one.

Not only is there the ELECTRIC car fiasco, but there is much more as well!

Consider the electric car. Yes, there are battery problems: Lead acid are heavy. Ni-MH tend to discharge just sitting. and Li-Ion are very expensive with a 5 year life. BUT, the key is that these cars run on COAL and not OIL! That means that even though they leave something to be desired in performance, you still get to keep driving to work every day even when gasoline hits $100 a gallon.

Which brings up the point. Cars have various functions. Yes a nice high performance gas car does a lot of things nicely. It has power, it has range, it has comfort. But a great deal of driving is just going to work daily through slow city traffic. So an electric is ideal for that. You recharge at night and go to work each day. No wonder people loved them. The idea of using an electric to perform ALL your driving is dumb. But splitting out your commuting driving for electric makes great sense.

And in the meantime, hey I'm driving a "classic" Geo metro! 45/55 mpg (actually measured by me!) Now go look at current offerings by auto makers! NOTHING comes close. It seems that building a Geo is sort of like making a mummy, everyone has forgotten how to do it! Cripes, I LOVE that little car but support from GM is nil, they have offered NOTHING like it for years, and pretend that this "technology" doesn't even exist! It's downright criminal!

And that's not even the limits! One could use aluminum and carbon fiber construction to go for some "real" mileage! But instead all we have is a huge scam and wringing of hands as if nothing can be done. I've got it, lets all drive to work in gigantic high-profit SUVs that GM will happily supply [and then demand a higher salary to pay for the increased fuel costs] You want a formula for disaster? There is one for you! And GM will support you in it.

I totally agree. I am not totally satisfied with my 1997 Saturn SW1 average

33 MPG, but models made after about 2002 are much worse. I think after 9/11 gave us an excuse to invade the Middle East to get cheaper oil, the car companies and energy giants decided that they could sell power and performance rather than economy, and get richer doing so. And when that plan backfired (or maybe it worked as planned), it was found that everyone (except the middle classes who had bought into the big bad car/SUV scam), could get even richer when demand soared and prices went up to what they are today. They will likely stabilize when US prices reach par with the rest of the world at about $6-$9/gallon, and by that time many people won't have jobs to which to commute, and they will have had their SUVs repossessed.

Paul