What happens when solar power is cheaper than grid power?

If the consequence of your doing that is only that the price of grid power rises, but without any reduction in CO2 emissions, then all you've achieved is to transfer some of your power costs to other people. It's a form of economic parasitism.

Sylvia.

And LOTS of them due to the flame temperatures.

Why? A 120W/12v panel is only $300, although that is wholesale. > to bring me up to 300W total, although the Mono's > barely work in winter due to the low > slope on the shed roof. You can get brackets to mount the panels at greater slope than the roof.

Erk, I picked up 445AmpHrs (@12V) for under $1100 and that was retail. Hint, forklift battery suppliers(or at least he was). Also, I ever buy gel except for robust mobile applications.

Whatever for? You get the inverter for whatever you are running off it so they match and are thus the most efficent. Firstly there s no point in paying the 50-100% extra for a full sine wave if gear will work well off a modidifed sine water inverter.

Slow form of self poisoning?

The beauty of a mortgage is that you (usually) only pay them off once.

Nope,

1) Same as in a conventional IC motor vehicle. 2) Oh, you want everything, hint wiring. Shrug, it works for trains.

Shrug, in practical terms, the electric cars I see around(not the wanker symbols) are all standard vehcile bodies retofitted.

Any modern car body is "expensive to produce" if you are producing low numbers.The advantage of modern pressed car frames is their lightweight. Suitability to towing is a trade off. Keep them long enough and/or do enough towing and you bend them.

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You should know! but your theory is utterly absurd.

It relies on 2 dubious premises.

Dubious Premise 1: A varying load on the Power Station can be cheaply accomplished with a less efficient generation method.

Dubious Premise 2: The Govt. will willingly save a few bucks at the expense of burning more coal to generate less power.

It's akin to not using pimple cream incase it causes more pimples by being attracted to girls and catching herpes.

Herc

Why is it that your status as a wealthy person is always just around the corner?

What happened to all the income you claimed you were getting in the past?

Sylvia.

not mentioned in Wikipedia.

The drawbacks of hydrogen use are low energy content per unit volume, high tankage weights, very high storage vessel pressures, the storage, transportation and filling of gaseous or liquid hydrogen in vehicles, the large investment in infrastructure that would be required to fuel vehicles, and the inefficiency of production processes.

Herc

In theory. In practise it is different. I pay a package rate for electricity,with an offpeak hotwater heavy discount.

If I put PV on my roof(not fully suitable), I instantly move to time of day metering on all electricity usage, but have no capacity to time shift any consumption.

Now, if I put stuff on my roof for my use only, I need a storage system. The only practical economical storage system is deep discharge lead acid batteries(Not gel or agm, or Nicad, or Lipoly, etc).

It costs about $300 to regulate up to 20amps and about $800 to regulate up to 200(?)amps going into the battery bank. That is based on a 12v battery bank.

IME gear for higher voltages is proportionally higher in cost

Probably $10/metre for cabling/copper bars. Hint, higher currents need anchored cables/bars.

Now, your battery bank will beed to be somewhere from 200ampHrs to

4,000AmpHrs. I use the C/20 for minimal charge/discharge rates for longest battery life(idealy 10+ years/>3,653 cycles)

So I'll suggest $500 for 200Amphrs @12V. you can work out capital cost, etc.

At something like 200amps feed, you will probably be doing a water level check weekly and consuming 20L of distilled water each time. Better cost in a new set of clothes every three months because no matter how careful you are, there is always acid holes.

You can work out your own inverters.

Now,if you want relability,then you need "generators". Plural in case one breaks down. You also need to keep sufficent fuel to run them for

24, 48, etc up to say the occassinal week(make the neighbours really happy there). You also need the battery chargers to convert generator output into the battery.

Bottom line, it isn't simple and easy.

I uploaded 50 cloud pictures last year from 5 different beach front apartments.

I just wrote 20 reasons, but too much detail for public forum.

Too many middlemen I have no control of means ad profits don't readily scale.

Herc

Basic chemistry of nitrogen.

More cheaply. I've explained how this comes about. If it weren't for that mechanism, all our power would be generated by coal, rather than just the base load.

Appears to be entirely irrelevant.

Sylvia.

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Sylvia.

You mean the money never actually arrived in your hands. Leaving aside the reasons, I think this is what most of us believed - and still believe.

Sylvia.

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Yeh it's steady $4K a week last few months.

Started breaking $1000/day end of financial year so will be over $5K/ week next month.

3 Jul 2012 PROCEEDS OVERSEAS TELEGRAPHIC TRANSFER 0106566 USD4426.26@1.0539 FIC INC 4,199.89

26 Jun 2012 PROCEEDS OVERSEAS TELEGRAPHIC TRANSFER 0167556 USD3810.48@1.0288 FIC INC 3,703.81

19 Jun 2012 PROCEEDS OVERSEAS TELEGRAPHIC TRANSFER 0157347 USD4143.91@1.0406 FIC INC 3,982.23

12 Jun 2012 PROCEEDS OVERSEAS TELEGRAPHIC TRANSFER 0126350 USD4446.61@1.0142 FIC INC 4,384.35

If only the Aussie dollar was 60c again!

That's a $30/day ad budget. Accounting won't let me scale it up!

Anyway, I have a 1500W solar power grid to install!

Herc

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Australian fuel prices have not gone up that much over the years compared to the rest of the world. In 1998 petrol was about 85c per litre, I moved to the US that year and was paying 90c/US gall. Now, even here 500Km from Sydney we are paying $1.40/litre less than double, meanwhile the yanks are now paying $3/US gall more than 3 times the price. That's still significantly cheaper than here, but the differential is closing.

Every time I see a Prius, it is being driven like fury obviously not being driven in a green manner. If you really want to save fuel and cut emissions, buy a VW "Blue Motion" diesel Golf

**Perhaps I should ask:

When do you think petrol will hit 5 Bucks a Litre?

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Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

Over the last 12 years it has gone up an average of 6% per year $5/litre is roughly 260% more than the current price so work it out.

A Golf Blue Motion which is reckoned to do less than 4l/100Km will cost you about $29K. At $5/litre even that means that you would have to do

155000Km before you're up to the basic price for the Volt, and that isn't counting the cost of the solar panels.

Put 98 Octane Unleaded in small cars and they are twice as quick! U turn in the middle of the road, park at high speeds! Great cars if only for 1.

Herc