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My eyes used to water with a cheap CRT too, so I bought a decent one. End of problem. I also get eyestrain with a cheap BenQ LCD, and it's totally *useless* for graphics work to boot. So now I am happy with using a good CRT and a LCD in dual monitor set-up. A larger flat panel display with even higher quality than either will be nice when they invent one, *and* the price becomes reasonable. In the meantime a suitable solution exists for me at an acceptable price. It's not one that many others choose, but that's their decision.

MrT.

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Mr.T
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I think I had this argument before, but true colour LCD's can be had. When you consider the benchmark Sony for graphics/photography is around US$2000-3000 the LCD's aren't that much more expensive.

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The Real Andy

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:00:29 +1200, Terry Given put finger to keyboard and composed:

How about DVDs?

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Franc Zabkar

yep, got hundreds on my last trip to china, at about NZ$1 each.

pissed me off really, when I look at the large stack I already had.

its kinda fun actually, when theres a movie on telly, to say "bugger the ads" and slap on the DVD.

I have a 29" telly. any bigger and there is no benefit, as the resolution stays the same, so you have to sit further away....

Personally, I leave the TV off unless watching a movie or a good comedy. I used to like the news, but the journalism is so superficial it just annoys me. but the missus likes

Besides, I can feel myself getting stupider while the TV shouts advertising at me.

Cheers Terry

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Terry Given

I take an awful lot of digital photos (or is that a lot of awful digital photos?). Anyway, I can't see anything wrong with the colour reproduction of this LCD monitor. I also use it for PCB design and it's much better in both applications than the CRT monitor it replaced. I always hated LCD monitors, but they seem to be getting a lot better than the first ones on the market, with very wide viewing angle and excellent contrast, brightness and colour. That's my additional 2c worth anyway.

Bob

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Bob Parker

More than likely if you can't tell the difference between what you photograph and a normal LCD monitor.

Or your prints presumably.

Protel worked OK on a green screen once upon a time too :-)

Sure, if you can afford a professional one.

MrT.

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Mr.T

It seems the debate LCD Vs CRT monitors is ongoing and is akin to valves Vs transistors in the audio sphere.

My 2c worth...

I have 2 PC's running the same resolution side by side. One has a very good Radeon 7000 AGP graphics card driving a Sony 19" Multi-scan 400PS monitor which produces excellent results, while my newer PC - with a Radeon X600XT PCIE graphics card - uses a Mitsubishi Diamond Digital

171JB (17") LCD monitor. Quite frankly, I still prefer the results from the latter and I can't see any difference in colour grading or other factors on photo images from one to the other. The Sony cost me $1500 a few years ago whereas the LCD cost me around $600 or thereabouts 12 months back.
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Ross Herbert

Not at all, people pay far more for valve equipment with measureably inferior performance, because they prefer the sound (for whatever reason) or the look. I'd be QUITE happy to pay the same, or similar, for an LCD display with measureably the same or better color performance as my CRT. Simple as that. I expect one day I will be able to do so!

I'm glad your happy, but has nothing to do with pricing Vs performance comparison for non professional monitors at the same time of purchase. My current Pentium outperforms my old 386 for less dollars too (or even an old PDP11 :-) but it's hardly relevant. Name one LCD that outperforms a $200 19" CRT for the same price for example? Have you actually tried properly profiling your LCD or CRT, or are you just talking out of the box, uncalibrated performance?

I do admit LCD will win easily very soon, if not already, as CRT's stop being made. Whatever remains in manufacture will be expensive. Fortunately there are new technologies on the way to improve flat panel performance. Hopefully I can wait until then.

MrT.

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Mr.T

I use mine for editing photos and PCB work as well.

i am talking about professional image editing -- CRT can reproduce more colors and those are close to real ones you will get at printing.

Rudolf

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Rudolf

Try getting hold of a Spyder or such like monitor calibration tool. Many of the LCD screens had poor color consistency across the display compared to CRT monitors and were difficuly to properly calibrate fpr professional use.

Still, display technology is getting better all the time and you can't beat a pair of 17" or 19" LCD's on a PC for a huge productivity gain.

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swanny

The psuedo standard CRT for photography/graphics/colour is the Sony Artisan monitor, which will set you back around US$2000, if you can still buy one.

For around AU$2000, one can now buy an EIZO monitor the same size as the Sony. Couple this with a McBeth Eye-One or a SPyder calibrator and you have what the Pro's use.

There is also quite a lot off buzz surounding the LaCie monitors for professional use. It seems these are fast becoming the Artisan version of the LCD, and they come with a calibrator. These are sitting close to AU$3000 for a 21", so they almost beat the Artisan for price.

I think you will struggle to find many pro's that still use CRT's these days.

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The Real Andy

Oh, and I almost missed the new player on the block, NEC.

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coming in at nearly US$7000. Its had some good reviews though. This technology will become the new standard.

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The Real Andy

So you are saying that if you had the choice of a CRT monitor for say $1500 and an LCD for $600, and their performance was near enough identical in your view, you would still opt for the CRT?

I gave pricing purely for reference. If I bought a CRT and an LCD today, of course the prices would be lower. But I would be prepared to bet that a good CRT which performs as well as a good LCD would still be more expensive. Therefore, given the equivalence in performance, and without taking into consideration any other factors, the majority of people would think that price is relevant.

No, I haven't gone around comparing $200 19" CRT displays at all, either with other CRT's or LCD's. However, I am damned sure that finding an LCD to perform as well as your hypothetical $200 CRT would be all too easy.

I am talking from a purely subjective assessment which is all that counts for anything other than professional graphics/photographics. This would account for around 99% of all users.

I think that time is almost here already. Philips, for example, have teamed up with LG for CRT production and their tubes are now made in China. Sony have stopped CRT production.

Quite likely that due to the decreasing demand for the best grade of CRT's for professional applications they will become extremely expensive, even unjustifiably so, and pricing will force even the strongest CRT diehards to accept LCD. Perhaps if they can wait long enough OLED displays will start to become available.

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Ross Herbert

Sure you can, use a CRT and LCD.

MrT.

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Mr.T

Putting it in a nutshell, I concur with your assessment.

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Ross Herbert

When the price drops a bit I might buy the CAD version. Could be a while yet though :-(

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Ross Herbert

Maybe when the price drops of course.

MrT.

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Mr.T

Is that what YOU read? I did pay that much for a totally crap CRT, but that was 20 years ago and technology has moved on, just as you have proven. My last CRT was far better and far cheaper. My LCD bought not long after, was both dearer and inferior.

That would simply depend on your definition of "good". However since CRT development and production has almost ceased, LCD's will inevitably beat CRT's due to non availability of the latter.

example?

just

Let me know when you find one then! At least the CRT is not hypothetical, but lack of demand means they wont stay in production. In fact there are very few to choose from these days.

Actually a *large* majority of computer users take digital photo's, then wonder why the prints look nothing like what they see on the LCD screen. I hear this complaint all the time. Profiling most LCD's is an interesting excercise in futility.

Yep, all very unfortunate, but not unexpected.

Isn't that what I've been saying, except the price will also take a while to fall to mainstream.

MrT.

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Mr.T

G'day, an experienced technican would use an isolation transformer as your set is a live chassis, that is above earth, if you don't have access to an isolation transformer be extremely careful and try the following. Making sure that the set in unpluged from the mains supply (power point) remove the rear cover and then attach the normal input that is aerial/component etc, plug into mains and let it soak (run until the fault appears, sometimes I have used a hair dryer to generate excessive heat to induce the fault) when fault appears I would use Freeze (a can of freeze can be purchased at any spare parts supplier or even Tandy's) to various components to see if that fixes the problem.

To locate this area look for when the CRT (cathode ray tube) EHT (extra high tenion) plugs into and follow that down to the boubler/tripler and flyback/line output transformer. The high voltage that is residual after turning set off is the EHT and in most sets there is a flat spade that attaches to the aquadag (metal cover surrounding the CRT (also called the picture tube) via a twisted wire connector, I doubt if you would need to use this. I hope I have given you a couple pointers mate. cheers gazza

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gazza

Your comments have been duly noted and given the consideration they deserve.

Bob

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Bob Parker

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