SA Greenies

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

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F Murtz
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Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

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Jeßus

F Murtz live on stage:

It will do in the not too distant future! All that needed is a nationalisation of all power generation capacity, and speeding up the building of all types of renewable energy generation plants coupled with increased research efforts to resolve the issue of access storage. Better batteries are already on the way!

Fossil fuel reliant generation is now a dead end industry. Clean coal technology is a pie in the sky!

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?rd?g

Probably better than your trolling attempt.

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Fran Snortilus

It's not helping us in NSW, with the AEMO warning of rolling blackouts later today as people return home from work and turn on air conditioners just as the solar panel output is dropping because the sun is going down.

The existence of those panels means that there is less incentive to invest in peak load power generation capacity, since it will always be undercut by solar when the sun is shining. But had that capacity existed, we could have used it into the evening when it's needed.

If you had such a generator, it could earn you $14 per kWh at times today.

The grid should shed those with solar panels first once the sun goes down - but of course, it can't.

Sylvia.

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Sylvia Else

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their setup does not work well.

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F Murtz

And that is part of the problem. People who can't cope without air con and don't have any other strategy for coping with heat other than reliance on such a fragile thing.

Shedding those solar panel owners would be grossly unfair anyway. The power companies are onselling the power generated by those solar panel owners for far more than the power companies are paying (or have ever paid out for that power going into their grid).

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Fran Snortilus

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

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Jeßus

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not working so far.

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F Murtz

Let us go back to the old days where the old and infirm died because they don't have any other strategy for coping with heat

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F Murtz

You sure they're not commies too?

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Jeßus

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most expensive and unreliable power system in Aus . All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly. In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective. Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not likely to go that way.

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F Murtz

... but that wasn't in aus.eletronics thank the gods!

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~misfit~

READ the thread! People coming home from work and turning on their air con WILL NOT BE THE OLD OR THE INFIRM you twit!

The old and infirm are the only ones who should be allowed to turn on their aircon in the current situation.

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Fran Snortilus

It's a great idea, I generate all my own power from solar and have done for years, so I know it is viable.

I'll be all for nuclear power once we can both safely harness/control the energy and dispose of the waste. We still can't do any of those things, so it's not an option IMO.

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Jeßus

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I was thinking that "Van Dieman's Land" would make make a wonderful repository for the waste. It has all the essentials, small population, lots of scenic wonders and is not part of the mainland.

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SG1

Yes, I agree. Would be a perfect place for it.

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Jeßus

The only reason we have a problem is that people run air-conditioners. If only the old and infirm ran them then we'd have plenty of generation capacity.

Except that if that were the practice in the past, the generation capacity to cope wouldn't have been built, and we'd simply have the same problem but with less comfort.

There's no reason we, as consumers, should have to manage with less power than we want to consume. It is the responsibility of the government to ensure that enough capacity exists, either by adjusting the market parameters to encourage the construction of sufficient capacity, or, as a last resort, constructing that capacity themselves.

The alternative is that those who can afford to do so will install backup power systems, and those who cannot will suffer outages. That's hardly an equitable result.

I'm a bit sceptical as to whether the market can really handle this on its own, because having enough capacity for the extreme events implies having capacity that's very rarely used. People build generators to earn a profit, and it's hard to determine whether a profit can be made when the requirement for the capacity is so rare.

It maybe that the only way is for the government to build generators that it guarantees will sit idle except for the occasions when the spot electricity price reaches its maximum allowed value (currently $14 per kWh) and there is still insufficient capacity. The cost of that would, of course, ultimately have to be born by consumers.

Sylvia.

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Sylvia Else

No mention of those providing Solar power during peak demand times? Seem a lot of homes have solar panels many in my street mine supplies

13 Kw nieghbours about the same. Couldn't go without air-conditioning, my Jacuzzi, super wide TV and sound system and cappuccino maker
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Petzl

Yep. Alhthough possibly not the ONLY reason but certainly hugely exacerbated by running air con.

Yep.

You've got that arse about. If using air con had been the practice in the past, we'd have built the capacity and we wouldn't have the current problem as we'd have built the capacity way back then when we were turning on air con.

Say how precious we are and it's our right to have access to air con, won't work. Most of our States have sold most of it off and private enterprise is a law unto itself and even with supposed guarantees of service levels extracted before sale, it's amazing how many and varied are the excuses to be found after sale. The best we can probably do is to buy shares in the power companies.

It is the responsibility of the

Except that to do that from scratch is the very reason given for why the infrastructure was sold in the first place (old and too expensive to replace/upgrade). States do not have that sort of money any more.

No, but you are right in saying that is what will most likely happen.

Yep.

And tax payers. IMO, not gunna happen in my lifetime. The good old days of government thinking it was there to provide services is now gone.

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Fran Snortilus

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