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You're right, context is everything

On Mar 14 2007, 10:03 pm, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com wrote:

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Re: A Quesion for Sylvia Else (stun guns)
On Jun 17, 10:05A0%am, "Trevor Wilson"

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Some more "context" for you

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  Too bad you're barely six years old, mentally. :(


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   Stopping his heart in nothing compared to Trevor, who shut down his
mind.  Then it wouldn't restart.  Rather a pathetic individual.  I would
like to see his sorry ass go through basic training, crawling under barb
wire, and live machine gun fire.  he would cry for weeks after being
gassed with real US Army (or NATO) tear gas inside a concrete block
building, and having to wait till they unlocked the doors to get out.
Then again, he thinks audio is rocket science.


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Unless there is some evidence that the society in the USA is more inherently
violent than other countries, it's not entirely plausible.

It is more likely that, because people can carry guns, more people will be
shot than if people did not carry guns.  That would include the police, of
course.


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**Correct. Based on these figures:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita

It seems clear that the US is no more violent than any other Western,
Democratic, developed nation.

What is perfectly clear, however, is that the US is far more deadly than
most (all?) other Western, Democratic, developed nations:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Tellingly, most of those murders (in the US) are committed via the use of
guns (specifically: Handguns):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_fir_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop

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**The figures for people legitemately shooting alleged criminals (I say
alleged, because in places like Texas, it would seem that the authorites are
now prepared to accept the word of the 'last man standing', as to the
legitemacy of the shooting) are miniscule in the extreme. FBI figures show
that, in the US, something like 400-odd people are shot and killed by police
in so-called 'justifiable homicide' acts each year. This figure needs to be
examined in the same light as the number killed by civilians in similar
circumstances. The figure for civilians is approximately 230 PA. That figure
needs to be tempered by the inadequacies of the laws in places like Texas,
where lip service is paid by LEOs under many circumstances. Additionally,
one must bear in mind that the number of civilians killed by gunshot each
year in the US is approximately 10,000. Clearly, carrying guns for self
defence purposes is a failed experiment. It is an experiment that many of
the nutters in the pro-gun lobby, here in Australia, wish to duplicate.
These are the same individuals who seem to feel that shooting native ducks
and other indigenous critters is, somehow, sporting. They seem to consider
that the indiscriminate spraying of lead shot into pristine environments,
whilst causing the needless suffering of wild animals is all in a good
cause.


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www.rageaudio.com.au



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Trevor has posted such rants before, he posts them here because he
doesn't believe that anybody know enough about the subject matter to
challenge him, every time he posts such rants on gun related group he
gets spanked badly.

Reading the above Trevor, are you again asserting that a Defensive Gun
Use (DGU) requires a dead body, and if there's no dead body, then the
DGU didn't happen?


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Trevor has posted such rants before, he posts them here because he
doesn't believe that anybody know enough about the subject matter to
challenge him, every time he posts such rants on gun related group he
gets spanked badly.

Reading the above Trevor, are you again asserting that a Defensive Gun
Use (DGU) requires a dead body, and if there's no dead body, then the
DGU didn't happen?


**Read what I wrote. If you don't understand what is written, ask a 9 year
old.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au




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I did read what you wrote, it appears you are unable to answer a
question about your posted assertion without the assistance of some
(apparently unavailble) 9 year old?



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   Nine year olds are too smart to hang out with an idiot like Trevor.

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   He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed
Carry' permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that
refuse to allow you to carry have the highest.  Or that a lot of that
crime is by gangs shooting at each other, or illegal aliens committing
crimes, and shooting anyone who can identify them.  In other words he is
a liar, and idiot for thinking no one will knew he's a liar.


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**Really? Give me the homicide figures for (say) NYC, where concealed carry
is illegal and Miami, where concealed carry is legal.



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**The issue is not which US citizens are killing each other, but how they
were so easily able to acquire the firearms. Lax US gun control laws, across
all jurisdictions, ensure that those with violent tendencies can easily
obtain the weapons that they require.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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   Miami is a cesspool of illegal aliens, drug dealing and street
gangs.  It is also a large area, and some parts are not safe. it also
has a lot of the Cuban criminals that Casto dumped out of his prsions.
Like the early days in Oz.


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   Easily? Go to a gun shop, let them run a Federal background check,
and buy one.  Or in your case, steal one.






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**Here is your claim:

"He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed Carry'
permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that refuse to
allow you to carry have the highest."

You neatly avoided answering my questions. Answers which would have shown
your rhetoric to be complete and utter bollocks. Let's compare (say) Houston
(where concealed carry is legal) to NYC. Is that better?


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**Yes. Easily. Across the US, each year, there are hundreds of 'gun shows'.
At these 'gun shows' dealers, posing as private citizens sell thousands of
guns to criminals. They can do so, because there are virtually zero
restrictions on the sale of 'second hand' guns. Even if that gun has only
been 'second hand' for a couple of minutes and has never been fired. Here in
Australia (and pretty much the rest of the developed world) ALL gun sales
must be recorded and tracked. Even secondary sales. Such an action ensures
that fewer guns end up in the hands of criminals.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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It's more likely that fewer guns end up in the hands of law-abiding people
who, when they have the occasional brain-snaps, don't have that particular
means at hand to do as they wish.

So far as criminals are concerned, the restrictions on the sale of guns
means very little.  For example, the events in Melbourne this week.


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On Jun 18, 12:54A0%pm, "Trevor Wilson"

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45 seconds on Google to prove Trevor Wilson is a liar

"Licensed gun dealers that sell at gun shows must, by federal law,
strictly adhere to background checks through the National Instant
Criminal Background Check System."

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   Lying trolls never let facts get in the way of their wet dreams.


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   Compare what?  You've give two names, but no numbers.  Its your
ignorant claim, so dig up the proof.


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   So, you attend all these guns shows and see all those illegal
transactions?


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**Just a reminder: It was YOUR claim, not mine. Here is YOUR claim:

"He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed Carry'
permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that refuse to
allow you to carry have the highest."

I asked you to prove that claim, by using two examples. _I_ did not make a
claim, you did. Thus far you have fulfilled my expectations of you. Which is
to say: Very, very low expectations. You refuse to discuss anything that
shatters your tiny world view. You refuse to validate your claim. All you
can manage is hollow rhetoric.

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**Of course not. Nonetheless, my mate who live in Cal has attended such
shows. He confirmed what actually occurs. Unregulated sales of firearms are
very common. It is well known that second hand guns are sold at gun shows
and no background checks are performed in many cases.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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