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I wouldn't vote for the Labor party again if you threatened to give me a
barbed wire enema and then attempted to stop the bleeding with pepper.

The cost isn't the issue for me. It's the effect, or complete lack of it.





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Regards,
Noddy.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 06:56:16 +1100, Trevor Wilson

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Not that this will change you mind on any of this, but something worth
viewing nonetheless:
http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/episode/the-trouble-with-experts.html

Torrent:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6862823/CBC_Doc_Zone_The_Trouble_With_Experts_2011_HDTV_x264_AAC
http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2777785/005760348140 /

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**I haven't watched the video, but I did read the posted article. OK, so
you tell me:

* Do I ignore my mechanic, when he tells me that my car engine needs an
oil change? Or do I listen to Alan Jones?
* Do I ignore my doctor, when he tells me that I should have a Sunspot
excised from my face? Or do I listen to Alan Jones?
* Do I ignore Microsoft, when they tell me I need another 2GB RAm to run
Windows 7, 64bit correctly? Or do I listen to Alan Jones?
* Do I listen to the climatologists, when they tell us that there is too
much CO2 in the atmosphere? Or do I listen to Alan Jones?

It's one thing to weigh up the opinions of people. It's quite another to
be presented with a very large amount of highly compelling data.

So, tell me? Who're you going to place YOUR health care opinions with?
Alan Jones or an 'expert' (aka: Your family GP)?

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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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If I read a critique from an expert film critic panning a film that is
the one I watch (they are usually better) I do not take the word of a
single doctor, any thing microsoft says is suspect they only want to
make money, I would bet that Noddy knows many expert mechanics who are
anything but. I would wager that these public figures that you seem to
have a phobia about are not always wrong they are not experts they just
repeat what others who may or may not be experts in their field say.

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Well, frankly, as far as some experts go, listening to Alan Jones can
not be any worse. Many "medicial specialists" are just crowd followers
and faddist, even within their own field.

You have to educate yourself and decide what is working and what isn't.

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**I've been using the same GP for more than 25 years. He has saved my
life a couple of times and has never steered me wrong in the area of
medical issues.

Like I said: I'll trust my GP. You can trust your local grocer if you
think that makes sense.

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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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That you know of anyway....

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Well, at a pinch I'll take the advice of my local Chemist :)

As has been mentioned previously this seems to be about faith, and in
your case it seems to be fanatical. What genuinely intrigues me though
is that there seems to be qualified comment on both sides of the climate
debate yet you seem to put your faith on one side while criticising
everyone else who doesn't as not being an "expert".


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Regards,
Noddy.

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**How the fuck would you know? You have not read the IPCC reports. The
IPCC reports are the premier documents in this area. You cannot claim
that there are qualified comments on both sides, if you have not
bothered reading one of those sides.

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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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That's right, I haven't. Nor do I want to, or *need* to.

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What a load of cods :)






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Noddy.

Re: OT GW
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:15:56 +1100, Trevor Wilson

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Get your hand of it, Trevor.

Really, what a load of shit.  


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Paul Saccani
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On 12/5/2011 2:49 PM, Noddy wrote:
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**How the fuck would you know? You have not read the IPCC reports. The
IPCC reports are the premier documents in this area. You cannot claim
that there are qualified comments on both sides, if you have not
bothered reading one of those sides.

Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
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TouchÚ........Trev 1024 .... Noddy nil that's a big fat zero for you Darren.
Time to give up pal.
Cheers
DAVO


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Unfortunately, had mixed experience.
I guess that also illustrates my point.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:16:51 +1100, Trevor Wilson

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I know of two GPs in Brisbane's southside:

One didn't know what an MRI was when I suggested it may be a good idea
for my then GF's pinched nerve.

The other swears by putting caster oil around your mid-section, then
wrapping it in glad wrap - for any complaint.

They are both qualified and practicing GPs in Australia.

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There are plenty of crap doctors out there. (Jayant Patel probably
being one of the worst)
I went through about 7 before finding one that was decent and can
attest to Trevor's experience -
this one good doctor due to being competent improved my health
enormously.

To blindly just run along to any doctor and claim that he/she is
automatically an expert because they have "DR" before
their name, is playing a very risky game.

Trevor is lucky that he found a good doctor - or at least one that for
whatever reason happened to notice
what was wrong, and at least had knowledge and experience in that
problem, to diagnose and cure it.



I could say the same for vets also, for those who have animals.


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**No luck involved. I've had my fair share of incompetent, or uncaring
doctors. IME, that amounts to about 30% of them. That said, if my life
was in the balance, I'd rather be attended by a doctor than a plumber.

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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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If the ABC bought and paid for news and current affairs programs say
there is man made global warming, because its being told by a bimbo
news announcer with no qualifications, that means I should ignore it
too !    Thanks for clarifying that Twever.

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**Like I said: Ignore the opinions. Listen to the science. Learn the
difference, BEFORE you enter discussions with adults.

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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:07:50 +1100, Trevor Wilson

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What an absurd demand.  

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I have read the reports.  All too often, what you say about them and
reality are somewhat divergent.

Demonstrating this to you has resulted in a conspicuous silence
instead of a reasoned rebuttal.
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Paul Saccani
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We have no solid idea yet about the real effect of the GST as the
effects of it were masked by the housing boom
and the associated upturn in just about every business, as a flow on
effect from it.

Now that that is over we shall see.  The basics are is that it is a
tax, and therefore state theft of private property without consent,
and that governments are only good at turning things to shit means
inherently overall it has to have a BAD effect.


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**Bollocks. The results were felt almost instantly. And they were measured.

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**Then, perhaps, it is time for you to move to the Ivory Coast. No
taxation there. Enjoy your life. Me? I'll tough it out here in
Australia, where I can enjoy things like:

* Free medical care.
* Security.
* A long, healthy life.
* Freedom from being shot to death.
* Freedom from being kidnapped.
* Garbage collection.
* Sewerage.
* Electricity.
* Reasonable roads.

All of which and much more has been paid for by taxation.

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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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