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I have an alternative idea. Redesign batteries so that they have a positive
terminal at each end and the body is negative. Bring in O.H & S legislation
to ban the old batteries and the electronics industry will make millions
selling new equipment with the new batter holders to replace what everybody
already has.

I thought this was such a good idea I couldn't wait until April 1st to share
it ;-)

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Op Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:59:00 +0200 schreef Chris Burrows  
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How would that work in flash-lights that take three batteries in line?

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Uhm, what?




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http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/licensing/instaloadoverview.mspx

Brilliant, just frigg'n brilliant!
Surely someone has done it before, somewhere, in some obscure product?

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My 8 yo Canon camera have half of it implemented, if you put the battery wrong
way around it doesn't make contact.

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Great another item to make items be REPLACED more often.

Considering the amount of battery operated equipment where I have had
to clean or re-bend the contacts to make it work, this looks like a
scheme with VERY flimsy mechanical mounting.

The actual forcing I have seen putting batteries in the RIGHT way
round in many pieces of equipment, tends to distort the terminals.

I don't see these terminals lasting more than 2 insertions, and for
quite a few pieces of equipment the extra tracks uses up space used by
other tracks/components on the other side. Generally the battery
compartment area is kept clear of tracks (possibly a ground plane)
to avoid ingress of foreign objects or knives to extract batteries.

This as usual may well make more problems than it causes, for
minimal benefit.


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I think you need to look a bit closer. The contacts are mechanically
one-piece with no tangs sticking out. The spring force is provided by
the leads.

What isn't shown in the pictures - and I ASSUME this to be true - is
that once the lead hits the PCB it goes through a right angle and is
either soldered to a significant length of meaty PCB trace, or clamped
to a contact area by the screws that keep the housing together. The
Wii controller uses a very similar mechanism (among other devices of
course), minus the polarity-agnosticism, and it seems very robust.
Passes all our tests anyway.

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Not according to picture on MS site and their brouchure PDF, they are
small wires from the contacts (two types shown).
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The ones I saw shots of require the moulding to hold them and no evidence
of a spring, and require tight tolerance battery length, with no spring
they will deform on a few changes.

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Considering the tolerances on an AA battery when I was last dealing with
a battery manufacturer (looking at size tolerance testing equipment), the
tolerances are quite large. Especially when you have to deal with almost
any manufacturer.

I suspect this will be another tie in, 'only works with batteries made by
company X and Y' who of course will work out to be the most expensive or
lowest performance.

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Don McKenzie Inscribed thus:

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This technique was tried 20 years ago.  It requires precision moldings
with sprung ends which make it expensive.

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On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 19:34:56 +0100, Baron

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and the Chinese versions we will be flooded with will (of course) NOT
have that precision, so it will turn into a real clusterfuck on
cheaper appliances.

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Does this really arouse you guys? heh, I guess its a good idea, though I
wonder about inline battery holders w/ 2 or more batteries inline..

DOS came from CPM
Windows came from.. debatable
XBox came from PlayStation
Zune came from iPod
Bing came from google,
and so on..

but, for once microsoft research comes up with an original!! er, wait.. lets
not forget 9V batteries have had this 'technology' from day 1.

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People who don't understand how to read the clearly imprinted battery
insertion diagrams on electronic devices shouldn't be using electronic
devices!

Like putting an automatic choke and electric start on a chainsaw.
Watch how many people cut their limbs off.

R

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On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT), rich12345

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Despite knowing well and trying hard, my wife still gets it
wrong at times.   As one gets older, eyesight changes.

Besides, not every device has symbology that is entirely
legible, either.  A few have given me a struggle just to find
them.  Some are quite easy to read.  But not all by any
means.

Not that I'm arguing for or against, here.  I just don't find
the above a particularly good argument against it.

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I lost a limb (finger tip) using a device I'd been using
safely for more than 12 years of routine and regular use and
knew extremely well.

I'm not supporting automoatic chokes and electric starts on
chainsaws, either.  But your argument here is non sequitur.

Jon

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No wonder this is by far the most popular thread on c.r.m - it's
crossposted to a still-active group!


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   Yeah, I'm looking at that, and not only do I have questions about
tolerances causing some batteries to not make contact, I'd also worry
about those two terminals on one end shorting out.

   The battery holders I've used have always had a big-ass spring on
the negative end.

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It doesn't quite meet the "not obvious" criteria -- it makes you wonder
why Microsoft is even bothering with a patent.

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Just wonder how tested against little children and preying fingers they are.

Did Micro$oft test them to the nth degree like they did with Vista? :-)

Cheers Don...






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Is this really Technology?
All you need is 4 Diodes and put them on 20 year old Battery Radio and
it will work. The only reason they weren't was the cost of the 4 diodes.



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2> Don McKenzie wrote:
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And the voltage drop across the diodes.  If they've come up with battery
holders that will, with existing batteries, only contact the "right"
parts to have proper polarity, it is (I hate to admit it) pretty cool.
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Most Equip, works well below the Battery Volts.
Depending on the Power Req. can be .2 to .6 voltage drop X 2

But the amount of Mice I find with batteries inserted the wrong way,
It can only be a good thing.


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Ehhhmm... a total drop of 1.2 - 1.4V on *each* battery voltage of 1.5V seems
quite a show stopper to me....

Meindert



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