New low cost Energy Meter

planetearthsolar is 8 bucks cheaper, free postage :-)

now, do I need one?

Don...

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Of course you do. Go on, you know you want one...

Correction: Should be 0.2% accuracy, not 2% as stated in the renew article and the ATA website. The Renew article makes out that it is the same as this US one:

Probably a newer model though.

Dave.

killer manual :-)

you talked me into it, before I saw this message Dave.

Was thinking about getting the US model, as it is so much cheaper, but do I really need US to AU adapters hanging all over the place?

Answer = NO

Then I see: Operating Voltage: 115 VAC Max Voltage: 125 VAC

Hmmm... There may be other complications.

Well, surely they have 100 cents = $1, same as us YES?

With the current exchange rate at .9612, perhaps I have to re-calibrate it. ;-)

WOW! .9612 this morning.

If they charge $49.95 for postage, I could really end up behind.

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:David L. Jones wrote: : :>> now, do I need one? :> :> Of course you do. Go on, you know you want one... :> :> Correction: :> Should be 0.2% accuracy, not 2% as stated in the renew article and the ATA :> website. :> The Renew article makes out that it is the same as this US one: :>

:> Probably a newer model though. :> :> Dave. : :killer manual :-) : :you talked me into it, before I saw this message Dave. : :Was thinking about getting the US model, as it is so much cheaper, but :do I really need US to AU adapters hanging all over the place? : :Answer = NO : :Then I see: :Operating Voltage: 115 VAC :Max Voltage: 125 VAC : :Hmmm... There may be other complications. : :Well, surely they have 100 cents = $1, same as us :YES? : :With the current exchange rate at .9612, perhaps I have to re-calibrate :it. ;-) : :WOW! .9612 this morning. : :If they charge $49.95 for postage, I could really end up behind. : :Don...

I decided that even at $69.95 + $8 postage it was still worth it. If you join ATA you get 15% discount on the item cost.

Some years back I imported a batch of Dual-Pro marine battery chargers from the US and when all of the costs involved with freight, customs clearance and other charges + import duty/sales tax etc were included it added about 32% to the purchase price. When ATA adds on all the extras plus a profit margin $69.95 isn't too bad. If a US seller uses one of those high priced couriers such as TNT or DHL you will be paying at least $40 to ship it out.

Thanks to David for letting us know about it.

Ross

You don't pay import duty or other taxes on low cost stuff like this, the limit is over $1000 now from memory. Hence the huge boom in people buying everything direct via eBay and other online shops these days. It would be cheaper to have the US one shipped here, but it's (claimed to be) not rated for 240V operation.

Yeah, it's an ok price, certainly a lot cheaper than the SC power meter kit from Altronics.

Dave.

The keyword in the above is "batch". Individuals importing a single inexpensive item will have it arrive on their doorstep without any extra charges except delivery. Customs could, but don't, charge GST. Courier delivery like DHL can be expensive but the USPS has, at last, caught up with Australia Post for prompt service and their charges are comparable.

Please be sure to let us know how accurate it is at low power (like 1 watt)

:Ross Herbert wrote: : :>>Some years back I imported a batch of Dual-Pro marine battery chargers from the :>US and when all of the costs involved with freight, customs clearance and other :>charges + import duty/sales tax etc were included it added about 32% to the :>purchase price. When ATA adds on all the extras plus a profit margin $69.95 :>isn't too bad. If a US seller uses one of those high priced couriers such as :>TNT or DHL you will be paying at least $40 to ship it out.

:The keyword in the above is "batch". Individuals importing a single :inexpensive item will have it arrive on their doorstep without any :extra charges except delivery. Customs could, but don't, charge GST. :Courier delivery like DHL can be expensive but the USPS has, at last, :caught up with Australia Post for prompt service and their charges are :comparable.

Yes, you are correct. Individuals importing 1 or 2 off direct won't be hit with these charges whereas ATA on the other hand, probably would because they are importing a commercial quantity, and they would have to pass on these costs to their customers.

:Spotted in the latest Renew magazine. :After the ATA shop recalled the low cost energy meter (same as the Jaycar :one) due to it being innacurate and basically a piece of crap, they now :have a new one available. :$69.95 :

:and : : :It is an Australian version of the very popular US Killawatt EZ model. : :2% rated accuracy. : :Still nowhere near as cheap as the US model though (US$20). : :Dave. :

A quick search appears to show that the old Kill A Watt P4400 can be purchased for around US$17 but the cheapest I can find the EZ P4460 is around US$39, and this seller only posts to US destinations.

Another seller

sells the EZ P4460 for US$41.95 plus US$11.95 postage which makes it around US$53 to buy direct from the US. But then you have the problem of the 115Vac input voltage to overcome and the need to use plug adapters. I think the higher price (AU$69.95) from ATA etc for the Australia specific version is well worth it.

$29.99 at Harbor Freight:

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: :Ross Herbert wrote: :> :> A quick search appears to show that the old Kill A Watt P4400 can be purchased :> for around US$17 but the cheapest I can find the EZ P4460 is around US$39, and :> this seller only posts to US destinations. :> :> Another seller :>

:> sells the EZ P4460 for US$41.95 plus US$11.95 postage which makes it around :> US$53 to buy direct from the US. But then you have the problem of the 115Vac :> input voltage to overcome and the need to use plug adapters. I think the higher :> price (AU$69.95) from ATA etc for the Australia specific version is well worth :> it. : : :$29.99 at Harbor Freight: : :

That price is for the P4400 (which I found goes for as low as $17) and not the P4460 EZ.

"Dand"

** One again - all you need to do is load it with a 56 kohm resistor to get 1 watt.

Then a capacitor of say 1 uF ( 250 VAC) to see that it is measuring true power and not apparent power.

...... Phil

Sorry, you're right. That's what I get for posting when I can't use my good eye. :(

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:Spotted in the latest Renew magazine. :After the ATA shop recalled the low cost energy meter (same as the Jaycar :one) due to it being innacurate and basically a piece of crap, they now :have a new one available. :$69.95 :

:and : : :It is an Australian version of the very popular US Killawatt EZ model. : :2% rated accuracy. : :Still nowhere near as cheap as the US model though (US$20). : :Dave. :

I discovered there is an even cheaper unit here. No specification data though.

though.http://www.adapt2eco.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&products...

Unfortunately exactly the same as the crap Jaycar unit that has been discussed.

Dave.