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I dont bother to record the detail, but the line rent was
below $10 just before the monopoly was stripped away.

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motor vehicles).

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roads.

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LOCAL government levels?

Yep. And roads within new subdivisions paid for by developers are irrelevant to
what is being discussed.

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Income tax pays for a hell of a lot more than just roads.

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Corse it is.

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Irrelevant to your pig ignorant lie about what is being subsidized.



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That is if they are fully paid for. In any case, it is your council rates
that maintain them.they are not paid for from fuel excise. Federal
funding only flows down on deemed arterial/major roads. The states also
kick in.

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claim?

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instead.

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roads.

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They are now.

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Wrong. They dont require any maintenance for a long time.

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Never said they were. What matters is that the nothing like
the total of what is collected in fuel taxes is spent on roads.

THATS what determines whether there is a cross subsidy for private car use or
not.

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also kick in.

Irrelevant to whether there is a cross subsidy for private car use or not.

In fact its the exact opposite, car users pay a lot more in fuel taxes alone
than is spent on roads by all govts in total, so there is no cross subsidy.



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Which is as it should be for a PRIVATE enterprise. *IF* telecommunications
were so important that they CANNOT be left to private enterprise, it should
never have been sold. Which is what I said all along. Since it WAS sold,
they should obviously be left to get on with it, OR renationalise it.

The idea of building another network at taxpayers expense, AND then selling
that down the track as proposed, is the WORST of both worlds IMO!!!


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Country people paid the same as city people for almost a century, despite
the higher costs of providing their service. That's fine for a *government*
owned enterprise, if the government believes it's appropriate of course.


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Would be good IF the public got something for the sale of their non
renewable mineral resources.


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You've got that arse about, income from motorists subsidises public
transport and other government spending.
Hell we even had the absurd situation of the Bi-Centennial road levies being
spent on tram line extensions!

 MrT.




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Thats another pig ignorant lie, most obviously with mobile networks.

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The mobile networks clearly work fine like that.

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More fool you. We done even have govt banks anymore, for a reason.

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renationalise it.

No one world wide is actually THAT stupid.

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More fool you.

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Its also fine to force on private enterprises too.

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They always do. They're called royaltys.

And they pay tax on their profits just like everyone else does too.

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vehicles).

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Yes, particularly with the fuel taxes.

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They were sacrificed to give cheaper consumer loans at the loss of
national security.
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Keep up the mantra. It doesn't prove your case.

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Agreed. At the very least "the electronic roads" should have been kept in
public ownership. The NBN will provide an opportunity/method to redress
that.


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No one world wide has actually been stupid enough to that route.

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Nope, because even Labor arent actually THAT stupid.



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Nope, since the plan is to sell it when it is completed. I'm ready to bet it
will be at a loss to taxpayers!

MrT.



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Corse what the current plan is, and what they can get thru
parliament at that time are two entirely separate matters.

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Clearly Telecom/Telstra wasnt.

Particularly if it involves the scrapping of the copper pair network,
it may well end up a profit for taxpayers, particularly given that only
about $23B of the alleged $43B cost is going to be paid for by taxpayers.



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If you use Wireless in rural areas as suggested....

They you are going to have a school either having one wireless
connection shared across all PC's or all PC's with their own
wireless. The cost of all the Wireless stations would be more
than a Fibre link or the speed of each PC will be that of a Dial-up
Modem. Both of these is Looney tunes. Unless each of these
schools only have ONE PC, and that is also Nuts.



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  strawman

The cost of all the Wireless stations would be more
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  it;s your suggestion thats nuts
  school normally are close to facilites hence will have coper and or
fibre presented
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No one is suggesting that for schools.

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link or the speed of each PC will be that
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So is spending $50B for schools.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense to run a fibre connection to
the school from the nearest exchange that already has fibre.

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Even tiny little one teacher schools, and there are fuck all of those now,
it makes absolutely no sense be spending anything like $50B on schools.

The tiny little schools should have a decent satellite feed.



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So you are suggesting that NBN fees would be a standard monthly
connection fee, aka sewerage/electricty/water service access fee, plus
another fee charged by the NBN to the ISP for data carried, which the ISP
allows for in their data plans?
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Nope, he is saying you lied.



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And spending another $43Billion will reduce the cost, HOW exactly?

MrT.



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Well, it would certainly be cheaper than they are forced to pay now for
decent broadband, however, I am assured that there are cheaper ways than
that. Bottom line is that the backhaul should be in public ownership as
an equity service and to provide a "level playing field"  for competitive
delivery of services.
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ONLY IF you ignore the taxes needed to pay the $43Billion. That's the
trouble with governments, it's all about shifting costs around to make it
impossible to work out how much anything REALLY costs us.


MrT.



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decent broadband,

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There arent necessarily any taxes needed to pay for that, most obviously
if part of what was raised by flogging off Telstra was used to pay for that.

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Not necessarily, particularly if they get much of that $43B back when they flog
off the NBN.

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Its MUCH more complicated than that mindless conspiracy theory.



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