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NBN3 Wireless plan needs 4G spectrum fast-track
Sep 1, 2010 12:58 PM

A wireless National Broadband Network proposal aired late yesterday [pdf] called
for the expedited release of 4G
spectrum by regulators as well as access to Telstra backhaul and mobile towers
to cut out further costs.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/230696,nbn3-wireless-plan-needs-4g-spectrum-fast-track.aspx

A coalition of dark fibre owners and ISP chiefs from Pipe Networks, BigAir,
Vocus, AAPT and others issued the manifesto
under the guise of the Alliance for Affordable Broadband.

The Alliance sought to take advantage of the uncertain future of the NBN in its
current form and proposed changes it
claimed could cut the network cost to as low as $3 billion.

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Quoting from the PDF proposal:
http://www.vocus.com.au/media/AAB_Final2.pdf

In short, we believe that a mix of technologies and a market based approach will
deliver the best outcome. We believe
that an alternative national broadband network, let‟s call it NBNv3, could
look something like this:

1) 4G national wholesale network coverage, to 98% of Australians, at up to
100mbps;
2) Fibre or equivalent high speed broadband for backhaul, school, hospitals, and
most businesses, at speeds up to 1Gbps;


Cheers Don...

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Access to Telstra Infrastructure? One reason it's good is and not
underinvessted in is that its not overloaded by cheap plans



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Exactly, why should taxpayers subsidise movie downloads?


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downloads
living to another
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and work etc.
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So don't share it, dongles are cheap now, and most mobile phones are 3G
capable these days.


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And the taxpayers should subsidise all that, WHY exactly?

MrT.



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Work out who it is that will be using these services. And the answer is
- (Tada) Taxpayers!

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really suck.

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capable these days.

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(Tada) Taxpayers!

Doesnt mean that the taxpayers should be spending anything like $50B extra.



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(Tada) Taxpayers!
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We seem to have some price creep here up from $43B to $50B, anyway isn't
the theory that the taxpayer will only pick up half the bill?



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(Tada) Taxpayers!

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Its always been a suspiciously precise number, particularly when
its some of the most important figures were never know when it
was specified, like how much Telstra would be paid, whether the
entire copper pair system would be scrapped so consumers wont
have any choice on whether they use the NBN if they want a fixed
line service, what price end users will be charged etc. And EVERY
SINGLE ONE of those govt of clowns major projects has cost
a lot more than was originally claimed, most obviously with the
home insulation scheme, the schools building program, the
green loans and green power schemes.

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Where the hell is the other half coming from ?



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In the end, it ALL comes from the taxpayer, or from higher broadband
prices which end up in a small way contributing
to higher wages and prices which we all get stiffed with one way or
another.

Short of them doing something like physically seizing and
nationalising Telstra or anyone else with a network
with no compensation to the shareholders and using their network it
isnt going to come from anywhere else.


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Nope, quite a bit of it comes from those who pay no federal income tax.

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You aint established that there will necessarily be higher broadband prices,
particularly if the NBN has to compete with other forms of broadband.

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Thats just plain wrong, its a tiny part of the cost of what
business does, so wont produce higher wages and prices.

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Those whose entire income is welfare dont pay for it.

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They dont have to do that if they can get Telstra to agree to flog them the
copper pair network.

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Not even possible legally.

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What I said in a lot more words.



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When I lived in Newcastle NBN3 was a tv station, am I missing something
here?????


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NO, the answer is only SOME taxpayers.
In any case if exactly the same people were paying, AND they actually wanted
to pay, then private industry would get on with the job WITHOUT any need for
government to be involved. Telecommunications were privatised a while ago
you do realise????
The whole NBN is about providing the same cross subsidies that were
considered wrong when Telstra was 100% government owned. They seem FAR more
wrong when left to private enterprise IMO.

MrT.




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Not quite the full story. The private sector would simply cherry pick the
profitable and screw the rest.

 
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which cross subsidies?
And why are they wrong in tele comms, but not in other areas (mining
royalties being redistributed, taxes from all tax payers being
redistributed to subsidise all private motor vehicles).



They seem FAR
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Your line in spades.

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How odd that they dont with the mobile networks. You have noticed
that Telstra has been part of the private sector for quite a while now ?

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The use of the huge revenues from basic phone services to pay for the broadband
rollout.

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Not within the mining companys they arent.

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vehicles).

Pigs arse they are. It is in fact public transport thats subsidised instead.

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You would have preferred all taxpayers to pay for it, rather than users?
The cost of basic phone services has shrunk significantly any way, so it
can hardly be argued that there was any huge revenues unless your use was
high.

 
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Well, actually they are. Failed to notice how much public funds are used
to pay for infrastructure to enable mining companies to ship their
products overseas?
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Correct, but it is insignificant to the amount of resources that are
taken for fat arses to drive their own motor vehicles. Rego & fuel tax
does not pay for roads. It can also be argued that public transport
returns significant benefits to the community as a whole.

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rest.

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broadband rollout.

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I never said a word about what I would prefer, I was JUST rubbing your
stupid pig ignorant nose in the FACT that we did see those cross subsidies.

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Thats just plain wrong too with the line rent. They have in
fact hiked very dramatically indeed, more than tripled in fact.

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was high.

Another pig ignorant lie with the line rent.

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Nope.


Pity it aint mining ROYALTYS that are paying for that.

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vehicles).

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Wrong again. Nothing like most of even just the petrol excise is spent on roads.

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Corse they do, and a hell of a lot more than just roads too.

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the community as a whole.

Irrelevant to your pig ignorant lie about it being subsidized.



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Could you provide a couple of comparative years and cost to support your
claim?


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You have figures of petrol excise Vs total cost on roads at Federal,
state and LOCAL government levels?
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If that is the case, lets use it to do away with income tax {;-).

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Nope, you said it was subsidized, I agreed that it might be argued such,
but not in the wider picture.


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I'd love to see them too, please post yours. But include ALL government
motoring income and expenditure including traffic fines, registration, etc.
Can't find the total cost/income breakdown, why do you think that is?


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It could be argued that getting trucks off the road by subsidising rail
freight would be a good idea too, but it doesn't happen. Too many truck
drivers protest. Strange why motorists never do when there are FAR more of
them.

In any case public transport mainly benefits those who have access to public
transport. MANY motorists simply do not!!!


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But you agreed there was no need to argue whether it was subsidised, since
it clearly is. The only argument is whether you think it's a good thing, AND
IF you think forced cross subsidies are appropriate for private companies.

MrT.



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All you have to do is add up the budget figures on those other inputs.

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The budget papers never have that sort of breakdown.

Its completely routine to get them from the budget papers if you want to do the
breakdown.

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It does, actually.

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They never protest about stuff like that.

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They have enough of a clue to realise what drives policy.

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And hordes who do arent interested in using it anyway.

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But he never established that private motorists are in fact subsidised at all
when nothing like even the entire fuel tax revenue is spent on roads etc.



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Nope. One of the prime beneficiaries of public transport are the people
not using it. If those people were not on public transport, they would
all be fat arsed cagers in their individual motor vehicles adding to road
congestion. By them travelling on public transport, they are reducing
road congestion, thus reducing wear and tear on your motor vehicle and
saving you money and time.

Further, public tranport benefits all those people who live along major
traffic routes from reduced health impacts. .........................




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So anyone who hasn't got the luxury of government provided public transport
is a "fat arsed cager"?
You could at least add IN YOUR OPINION.


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Of course there is *some* benefit, but as I said the MAIN people who benefit
are those with access to publicly subsidised transport.

MrT.



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