If there's a wifi or wireless connection nearby is it moral to tap in and use it?

That was my point.... I wonder how many users both home or business even bother setting the system off the default settings. In most cases those settings would permit access by any other machine within reception range, I would imagine....

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not relevant , nice try at a redherring though .

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atec

I do, only my laptop's MAC address is allowed on my wireless router

Tom

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Tom

Yes I use them.

I have just come back from a trip to northern NSW and used one there for email and a little surfing. And I will be in Geelong and Melbourne in the next two weeks and will be looking for open wifi connections in both places for the same purpose.

I use an external antenna to boost the range of my wireless card.

If folk leave their connection open for anyone to use, then I thank them.

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Wardriver

And they are off and running in the Wi-Fi stakes with Dalian on the rails and Speed hard behind.

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Colin ®

That's an issue I have always wondered about.

I presume you would need file &printer sharing off and good S/W firewall , AV , Browserhijack protection.

What else do you need to do to keep yourself unmolested when using an open AP like that.

Colin

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Colin ®

As an ISP you should know this stuff already.

There are simple ways to trace a radio signal. And simple ways to prove which computer connected to another via any network type.

But of course you already knew this because you are an ISP ... bwhahahaha

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Colin ® wrote

That wont stop them logging the traffic on the wireless router etc.

No big deal if you are careful, but could be a problem if you arent.

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Rod Speed

Logging is one thing - it's the data stream that I wonder about. Capture that and I'm rooted.

So what you are saying is that with a secure PC as I described it should be safe if I screw the F/W down tight and watch it.

And also assuming the AP is not set up as a honeypot to do data capture.

Correct ?

Colin

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Colin ®

Haha.. translation: That law doesnt exsist... except in nt now lets fight about wether or not NT is a real state.

Oh a different penalty now, thats pretty clever for a law you claimed doesnt even exsist...

Your in idiot rod, you say the law doesnt exsist, yet it clearly does And I happen to know the trespass act is in force in all states. How do i know? I'm a bouncer, its my job to enforce this law. You can pull links to NT law out of your ass all week for all i care, try looking up civil laws, and national laws.. as for me? I'm over it.

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DalienX

Ok, firstly it would be a very rare average user who ended up looking at this NG, and an even rarer average user who knew how to set up security on a wifi properly. Many wifi systems are such that any attempts to reset them will result in non operation until they are set up properly, a difficult task for most average users. Thus most find that they work out of the box and go back to the default settings when any difficulties arise. Thus leaving them open.

What I would like to see is the wifi router manufacturers make them with a special thumb drive included. All the wifi routers that I have dealt with were all adjustable via a web page within the router and a usb link. You enter your network details in the router, add in a base word for coding algorythm to be based on. then the router uploads adjustments to the thumb drive. You then plug the thumb drive into each machine to be allowed access and run the program on it. The thumb drive then updates the relevant parts of the computer seciruty setting to match the router based on the new algorythm. Very simple to do - similar to the old MS ICS disk process. Then you would have easy set up security for each network that any dunce can use.

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Deadly Ernest

I would b worried bout Australian law, if that's the case for a private property. I mean look at it, anybody can walk into anybodies house and if the door is open one can walk in and he can never be charged for doing that 'cos it's "not against the law". Oh, man that freaks me out.

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Damian

Thats why you should always lock your door. That way you can get them on break and enter.

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DalienX

DalienX committed to the eternal aether...:

snip url that dun work

On this occasion, no.

Trespass is a tort (like negligence & contract), law created in the courts by precedent. There is no state or federal legislation (law created by parliament).

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Damien McBain

I leave my wifi open. You cant get into my PC, but you can use my wifi. If you want to use it, i have no issue. If you abuse it, i will shut you out. If you chew out all my bandwith, i will probably close it.

Abuse it and loose it.

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The Real Andy

I dont care who made it, the point is its there. Which rod tried to deny.

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DalienX

DalienX committed to the eternal aether...:

He's arguing that there's no "act" and he's correct. You said "read the trespass act", and of course there isn't one, just a heap of case law.

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Damien McBain

Colin ® wrote

I didnt say it very clearly, I meant that you need to be careful about what you do over the wireless link, like encrypting email that you care about etc, in case its being captured etc. Obviously you may not give a damn about email that is discussing someone having taken the cat to the vet etc, but other stuff may matter more.

No, I was clumsily saying that it wouldnt be a great idea to be doing online purchases etc on a 'borrowed' wireless network. Stuff like share trading in spades.

There's got to be some who deliberately leave their wireless network open to see what suckers they can catch.

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Rod Speed

DalienX wrote

Couldnt bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag even if its pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it.

Have a look at what the T in NT stands for, f****it child.

AND it aint where the OP is anyway, you silly little pig ignorant f****it child.

I clearly said it doesnt exist IN ANY STATE, you lying f****it child.

It doesnt, it only exists in the Northern TERRITORY, you silly little lying f****it child. AND even the sole example of a trepass act that does exist in the northern TERRITORY doesnt say anything like you pig ignorantly claimed, you silly little lying f****it child.

You're a liar, f****it child, I actually said that THERE IS NO TRESPASS ACT IN ANY STATE.

No such ACT in any state, you silly little pig ignorant f****it child.

AND you are just plain wrong about the detail of the CRIME of trespass in every single state, you silly little pig ignorant f****it child.

Figures. So stupid that that's all you qualify for.

Lying, as always. No bouncer gets to enforce any law, you silly little pig ignorant posturing f****it child.

Not one of which actually says anything like you pig ignorantly claimed about trespass.

SURE you are, child.

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Rod Speed

Pity there is no TRESPASS ACT as you pig ignorantly claimed except in the NT and even that one says nothing like what you pig ignorantly claimed it said anyway.

Lying, as always. I said that there is no trespass act in ANY STATE, liar.

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Rod Speed

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