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+ a bunch of other reports coming out of the recent CES show.

Looks like the HD format war is over bar the shouting. Blu-Ray is
going to be the winner.
And here I was thinking HD-DVD would take it out for quite some time
there.

Dave.

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   The bean counters have completely taken over.  My cable and internet
went out one night, around 3:00 AM. They informed me that there was no
problem, since I was the only person to report it, so they weren't going
to dispatch a tech, even though it was cycling on and off, every three
seconds.  I was 'informed' that both my TV and cable modem were bad, or
someone else would have called in to report problems.  Later, in the
afternoon a service tech called me to let me know that a fiber to
coaxial hub had a failed power supply, and that was causing it to
attempt to reset every three seconds.

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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:54:10 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"

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Sounds like something fishy is going on.

John



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**There was never any doubt. Not that it matters overly much. Dual format
players will make the whole issue about as significant as DVD+ vs. DVD-.
Remember that? Nope. Of course not. Players to cope with both standards
arrived quickly and cheaply. The technical differences between HD-DVD and
Blu Ray are not that great. Having said that, Blu Ray has far more players
in the field, higher disk capacity and stronger copy protection (FWIW). AND,
most importantly, it is the computer/gaming industry which will determine
any future standards. Hollywood is second bannana in this little skirmish.

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**Nope. That was never going to occur. Blu Ray was always the superior
system. When Sony dumped half a million players on the market (Playstations)
ahead of HD-DVD, then the whole shootin' match was over.

Trevor Wilson



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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but AFAIK HD-DVD was around inn the US for at
least a year before Sony released the PS3.
The fact that outside of the XBox 360 with the HD-DVD drive, only Toshiba
seems to be the only big manufacture of HD-DVD players, whereas there are
quite a few manufacturers supporting the Blu-ray format ATM.

Cheers,
Alan



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Is this a good time to say that I once owned a Toshiba Betacord?  :-))
Perhaps poor old Toshiba is starting to get a reputation for backing losers?

Cheers TT



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  No.  If that were true, they would back you.

  Do you have any clue how big Toshiba is?

 I'll bet you don't even have a clue as to what they make.

 There probably isn't a single Sony product that doesn't have some
Toshiba chips in it.

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**"Backing losers"? Let's get a few facts out of the way right now:

* Beta was released in 1975. It was finally discontinued in 2002. That is a
27 year run. Not too bad in this age of rapidly changing technology.
* Despite a 27 year production run, you can be certain that Toshiba (and
Sony, Sanyo and others) made healthy profits from their Beta machines.
Hardly a "loser".
* Comparing Beta and VHS to Blu Ray and HD-DVD is disingenuous. The
differences between Beta and VHS were fundamental. Although they used
essentially the same technology, they were incompatible formats. The
differences between Blu Ray and HD-DVD are far less problematical. Minor
re-focussing of the laser and software decoding differences are all that is
required.
* I note that LG has already released a Blu Ray computer burner (which can
also burn DVD+/-) than can read HD-DVD disks for 600 Bucks. It won't be long
before we have burners which can play and burn all formats for a couple of
hundred Bucks.



Trevor Wilson



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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:08:22 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"

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  Not quite.  Combo players have multiple read heads, not just a
re-focusing".  Get your facts straight.

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   It was $1200 at release.  Perhaps it has dropped by now.

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  Don't shit yourself.  The most expensive portion of the LG drive's
system is the read head "menagerie".  That won't be changing any time
soon.  It is cheaper to have multiple read heads than to make a single
optical array that transitions between modes.  Just look at DVD CD drives
for an example. Multiple heads, and it isn't simply due to the two
different laser wavelengths, because that could be solved, given the
desire, in a single head system. It is simply cheaper to put a head in
for each format.  But we PAY for it.

  $200 all format players will come into being about the same time the
next NEW ultra-high-definition, ultra-high-capacity form factor hits the
market.  Then, the cycle will start all over again.  Just look at video
cards for an example.  They had slowly dropped from $500 down to less
than $300 as each new model entered the fray, but now, they have found a
way to charge over $600 each by simply adding memory.  So now, there are
entire lines of cards based on a single new chip, instead of just one or
two offerings.

  Despite there being no need for a resolution higher than that which we
currently enjoy, there will no doubt be a super high res design come out
that a whole bunch of dopes will just have to have.

 I saw a pair of $148k per pair speakers the other day.  Seems the same
group that has gotten rich folks and drug dealers to pay too much for
wheels and tires has also figured out that they are too stupid to
understand what audio equipment should cost as well.

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:49:00 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge"

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  Yeah...  he's an idiot.  And as if 500k units are going to make the
difference, even though it was AFTER the HD-DVD startup.

  I say that they will both continue for quite some time.

  Shout over that, BluTurd retards!

  Just so you know, idiots...  I own both the top of the line XA1, as
well as the PS3.

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:35:07 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
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How many players/recorders can handle DVD-RAM?

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**All but one of mine can. That makes it three DVD recorders and another
three computer burners.

Trevor Wilson



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My laptop can but I don't believe any of my other drives (or
players) can.

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But Nemo is so 2006 ....

geoff



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   Buzz off, dimbulb, and stay out off your mommies pantyhose drawer.

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:31:54 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"

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  You're a pussy.

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   Only in your dreams, asshole.


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