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Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send millions of
messages by charging for each one sent, or
make senders authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing and simplify
blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail
infrastructure linking electronic authentication with
real-world identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany is about to
do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland (Germany) and
the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally
signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or receive
De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a
government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects will be in
force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Full Story:
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way_deal_spam /

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If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are talking up to
$0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other countries.
I would certainly support it, and want
to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources.
I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering cheaper
alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Cheers Don...

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Yes, even 1 cent per email would stop virtually all the spam.  Just need
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Maybe they haven't heard of yahoo mail or gmail, I get almost no spam
from either of these.
Of course, if it was a widely advertised email address, this might be
a different story.

I would rather have the spam, than have any government regulating my
email in any way, or charging for sending it.


Imagine living in Germany and having that deadshit government taking
my tax money and giving it to hopeless deadshit socialist countries
like Greece, etc in un-repayable loans :(



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Join a few groups and learn.
Wanna spam thousands, just create a yahoo identity and spam, spam, spam,
spam.

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I still get a lot of spam to the yahoo address that I used to use in usenet.

Get much less to the gmail address that I now use after
Horry pointed out how much better it is at spam handling.

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different story.

It is indeed. I get almost no spam to my other yahoo address,
just the stuff from places I have dealt with using it like godaddy.

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Me too, particularly when gmail does a very decent job for free.

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Careful, or it will be off to the concentration camp for you, boy.



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Its quite possible that that is in our futures, especially in the USA.

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Nope, they've gone out of fashion now.

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Nope, Obummer isnt even sending anyone else to Gitmo anymore.

He wont even be sending Gadaffi, you watch.



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digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
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Encrypted so that it can't be intercepted by whom...

Spam is a big problem but it isn't so big that it needs a pay-to-send
Government-run scheme to avoid it. Anybody with half a brain will
realise that this isn't going to work since nobody else in the world
uses Deutschland email, so normal email will be required anyway.

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt at
Government snooping on who's communicating with whom (and possibly
even what they're communicating about)?

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That was the first thing I thought it was.  As people quite rightly
won't stand for internet censorship, or restrictions
the scumbags might try and do it in socially acceptable "pieces", this
being one of them.

The other nasty that keeps popping up in the news is this "cyber
bullying" - IE: another smokescreen to justify curbing
freedom of speech and opinion, and to possibly justify censoring the
net, or restricting access.


Also the laughable de(viate)-mail is a good way to rip more tax money
out of people, (which will just be flushed away by the gov
with little public benefit as always).


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By anyone.


They are clearly suggesting that others adopt the same approach.

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Only the mindlessly paranoid.



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Why? Because governments don't do that sort of thing?

http://www.techeye.net/mobile/rim-buckles-on-indias-blackberry-encryption-pressure

    The ministry's reasoning for snooping was, as usual, potential
    terrorist threats. A terrorist could use BlackBerry email and
    messaging services to coordinate and plot attacks as
    information exchanged on these channels couldn't be monitored
    at the time.

    After reinstating services the government ordered RIM to come
    up with something that would give intelligence agencies
    complete access to all services offered on its handsets by
    October. This would include RIM being forced to hand over the
    encryption keys and codes of its corporate mail and messaging
    services. The extension to January 2011 was given after RIM
    pushed for a timeframe of 23 weeks in August, while it worked
    out how to cooperate without breaching data protection laws.


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Because its only the mindlessly paranoid that 'think' like that.

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Not like that they dont, because they dont need to do it like that.

You dont SERIOUSLY believe that no govt is doing anything
about checking for terrorists communicating right now do you ?

They dont need that sort of hare brained scheme to snoop as much as they like.

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Just because those fools couldnt work out how to snoop at the time proves
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Just because those fools couldnt work out how to snoop at the time proves
nothing.



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I heard you the first time. Care to explain yourself rather than
repeat yourself?

Are you suggesting that it is paranoid to suspect that governments
want to spy on the citizenry for self-serving rather than altruistic
ends? Or perhaps that it's paranoid to suspect that they're up to no
good when it's under the name of such a good and honourable cause as
cutting down on spam? (Of course, I consider both to be justified.)

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Of course not. They're doing everything they can. As much as they love
their security theatre which reassures their people that the bad guys
are being kept out so they can win elections, they'll jump at the
chance to get any data which might actually be useful for
counter-terrorism. I have no doubts about that.

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Actually, they do. Even if the German government already monitors all
email transactions on their own ISPs, a lot will be sent via dedicated
servers in datacentres in other countries or via cloud-based or
web-based services so the details of emails coming and going are not
transparent.

They are also unable to break the encryption. I'm not quite yet ready
to swallow a conspiracy theory that the SHA-3 contest is all a sham to
produce algorithms which are already broken.

So it is very difficult for Germany to monitor something like https
google apps, or a company with a VPN to a mailserver in the US.

This applies to more than email, but email is a valuable point to
target for intelligence if you want to make a focused effort.

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nothing.

End-to-end encryption works. And they _have_ figured out to do it --
ask for the keys. I suspect it wouldn't slide in Germany though.

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nothing.

You have a sticky yank key.

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Terrorist threats that are largely staged by governments (or allowed
to happen) in order
to justify this sort or rubbish for other reasons, such as stripping
away people's rights.

Both parties do it.  Look at Obama, except for a crock of left wing
bullshit thrown in it is just GWB's 3rd term in office.


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Google "Hash cash" - a bad name for a workable concept.

Charging for each e-mail doesn't work because most spam is sent by zombies.

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Using port 25. All data connections to SMTP servers come from IP
addresses and can tracked.

The problem is that it's like shutting the gate after the horse has
bolted.  If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email and
maybe lower general fees, it would have been accepted just like SMS is
charged separately for mobiles.



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I was saying that the owner of the zombie did not intend to send the
spam - in all cases other than gross negligence it would be unfair to
charge them for the spam (how many people have never had a computer
virus?)

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That's no excuse.  Look at the people being hit with mobile phone bills
and ISP bills when they go over their limits.



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yes - when *they* use it and go over their limits. If your car is stolen
and used in a robbery you aren't an accessory.

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