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There was a story in Sydney in the 1950's about Levenson's Radio lighting
their display windows for free by hooking up fluroescent tubes to a tuned
antenna.  The shop was about 50 metres from the AWA 2CH transmitting tower.
They were prosecuted for stealing power, but successfully defended by
producing a Broadcast Listeners License in Court.  The license permitted the
holder to receive broadcast power without restrictions.
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Put it this way - if there was heaps of free electricity
available, would the electricity companies go to the hassle
of burning expensive coal or fusing expensive uranium etc to
make power?


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Yes if the technology couldn't produce the wattage required.

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Re: Free electricity?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:27:31 +1000, Doug Jewell

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Anyone noticed that just about all the free energy schemes you see
advertised on the Net require you to buy a book.
Dont you think its a bit odd that no one has actually bothered to put
the details on the Net .


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Actually no. That's one argument I think doesn't hold water. If I had
a technology for obtaining free energy I certainly wouldn't go sharing
with all and sundry on the internet. Woud you? Really? If so, why?
It's an easy assumption to make - if it really exists someone,
sometime, will have made a video and popped it on YouTube, taken
photos and stuck them on Flickr and boasted about it all over usenet/
Geocities/Facebook* - but it's an assumption that doesn't follow from
any logic I can see. There are lots of things that are real but have
no internet presence at all.

* Whatever happened to Geocities?


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On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:20:23 -0800 (PST), Wolfgang Wildeblood

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If I had such a technology, I wouldnt be putting the details on how to
duplicate it in a book either.
Id be actually making the machines and selling them for $100 million
each.
Why hasnt someone who has boughjt the book, put the details on the
Net.


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With the amount of other "secret" and sensitive stuff leaked on the
net already, if these things had any validity they would already be
out there.


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Can you give me a URL for that?

Sylvia.

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I'm sure that if there are such things out there that were real
someone would have revealed them
by now.

There are plenty of people out there who would release info on "free"
electricity, alternative car fuels
etc, simply to destroy oil companies, state government electricity
providers etc etc.

Environmental groups might, but in modern reality IMHO they are simply
about gaining and exercising power
and control of people and resources and no longer have much to do with
real environmental issues,
so you wouldn't expect them to necessarily help promote these things
if they existed.
release such info.

Heard last night that their latest rubbish philosophy is that mobile
phone and wi-fi RF is deforming and killing trees. :(

Probably another push for NBN and optic fibre as optic fibre radiates
no magnetic field or RF. :)  (joke)




Various things I have heard of over the years include corporations
burying patents on things such as:

-Tyre compounds that are so durable that they last virtually the life
of the vehicle
-Engine technologies that give approximately 6x the mileage of current
technology

(Note, current technology at the time this was stated might have been
a lot less efficient than now).

I am not an automotive engineer or chemist specialising in rubber
compounds so I cannot say if these
are feasible or not, but they do at least sound plausible to some
extent. I can assure you that I have found from personal experience
that tyres now last a lot longer than they did during the 1980's/90s
so improvement has happened.

As for car engines,  for example - a huge % of energy is lost from an
internal combustion engine as heat,
if there were some way to either reduce this loss or collect this heat
energy and turn it into extra horsepower, then engine efficiency would
go up
by an enormous amount.  (Of course in cold climates where this "waste"
heat is used to heat the car interior, then its not such a practical
idea)

There are others, but I'm just giving 2 examples here that may be
feasible.
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On the other hand - claims that involve "pulling KW's of power out of
thin air with coils and capacitors" can only be
regarded as total rubbish,

Or claiming that solar panels can be made that collect more energy per
sq metre than the sun can emit.

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Finally - if these "patents" do actually exist for these "wonder"
technologies, there is another problem with releasing them to the
public

The ideas or technologies involved in them may be so complex or
require so much R&D $$, exotic materials or skilled manufacture that
they would be way outside the ability of the average home constructor
- or even outside the experience or skill level of a good engineering
shop.

If for example, something along the lines of nuclear or highly toxic
materials were needed for any reason - this would probably only be
available to specialist contractors under very tight security
agreements and great expense.

If the costs involved in commercially developing these things ran into
the $100s of millions or billions, then a large company, lots of plant
and equipment and skilled specialists of many fields would be needed,
as well as a large number of very rich and very trusting investors,
and even assuming they do pull it off, and have a viable product, that
is affordable to the general public, and get public acceptance and
trust, they can be crushed for patent infringement.  The company would
probably eventually be bought up by the patent owners, shut down and
the technology would "disappear".  Someone may be irate enough to leak
all the design and research documents to Wikileaks or similar, but
"settlement agreements for the hypothetical patent infringement"  may
prevent anyone from thinking of doing this, and there probably arent
that many people who would have access to such material therefore it
would be easy to narrow down and sue those involved.

If the patent owner does not want this technology developed (IE an oil
company not wanting super efficent engine technology on the market for
example) then they aren't going to grant a license to manufacture, or
are going to put such costs and conditions on it that it would never
get off the ground. The company would then fold.



 * Whatever happened to Geocities?

Yahoo bought it out and eventually absorbed it into Yahoo
They shut it down completely last year.

Was a shame, I used to post photos on there and haven't got around to
finding a substitute.



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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:23:20 -0800 (PST), kreed


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Like these:
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id78%5
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Very interesting, thanks for that.

Locally for some years they have advertised a device on TV called the
Hi-Clone that promises substantial increases in fuel
efficiency, from what I have seen it looks like it makes the incoming
air "swirl around" like a cyclone.

Don't know if it works or anyone who has tried it.

http://www.fuelsaver.com.au /

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http://www.xkcd.com/808 /

says it all...

CTH

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No.




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Don't know, there may be some old enough to remember that the Labor
party back then actually stood for the workers, and did some positive
things for them.

The ones that vote for them would still be naive enough to believe
that they still do this,vote for them because they always have done,
or are still living in the old days.

Some might think Julia is sexy,

Some may just hate the liberal/national/green parties more than
Labor.  ;)



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You are dead right on those - probably more right than you realise.

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they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor
governments"
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There are plenty of people still living the remember the Whitlam era,
the Cain/Kirner years, etc., You are possibly one of the persons paying
their pensions. :)

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In the case of the coalition, would that be an irrational hatred, or one
born of a lack of intelligence and common sense?

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with the Green/ALP carbon tax"
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peoples money"
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Why would I not be able to appreciate the significance or meaning of
what I have chosen to write?

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That's right - and if you look around modern Australia, there is NO
shortage of
people with lack of intelligence and/or common sense,

there are also large numbers on handouts, who vote for them in order
to keep the handouts
coming and increasing.






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The last couple just hit me so hard with how right and obvious they
were from many angles, and summarised into a single sentence.

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