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antenna, the answer is yes. Crystal radios have always
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technology quiet.
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signal for the receiver to receive.
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resister.
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on your electricity bill, the answer is no. The
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one reason no one uses a crytal radio for their
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single component
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amplifiers...
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doubt that anyont uses them as a practical way of
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I wondered
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electrical power."
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power plants. Otherwise it will usually come from
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export renewable electricity to the grid, providing a
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another. If
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generation (typically) using solar power during the
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CO2 production, because coal fired generation
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hydrogen
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I think by then we'll realise 40% of private sector income going to the public
service is 4 times more than required.  Tax is ultimately spent on the people,
I bet you complained about GST like everyone Else!

You complained about the government covering the cost of the solar panels
and use the opposite argument aswell when the money goes in the other direction.


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efficiency probably requires that it be done slowly. If you
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probably be a market for H and electric cars.  Charging batteries is awkward on
the road,
a quick refill will tilt the scales towards H fuel.

Reducing max speeds from 250km/hour to 90km/hour would drastically improve
economy.

Herc



Re: Free electricity?
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antenna, the answer is yes. Crystal radios have always
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technology quiet.
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signal for the receiver to receive.
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resister.
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on your electricity bill, the answer is no. The
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one reason no one uses a crytal radio for their
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single component
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amplifiers...
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electrical power."
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nuclear power plants. Otherwise it will usually come from
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export renewable electricity to the grid, providing a
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another. If
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generation (typically) using solar power during the
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CO2 production, because coal fired generation
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hydrogen
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is
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not what they cost. Typically RECs are created, which
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fibre, etc. etc.
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separate issue.
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at high speed.
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direction.

I don't know what you mean by that.

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efficiency probably requires that it be done slowly. If you
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on the road,
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economy.
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That is not self evidently true. Reducing the maximum speed reduces the
size of the engine, and drive train, providing a saving in weight, and
hence some improvement in economy. But otherwise the link between an
engine's size and its efficiency at some particular power is not so
obvious. Certainly the Carnot cycle has nothing to say on the matter.

Sylvia.

Re: Free electricity?
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antenna, the answer is yes. Crystal radios have
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technology quiet.
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no signal for the receiver to receive.
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resister.
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impact on your electricity bill, the answer is no. The
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is one reason no one uses a crytal radio for their
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single component
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amplifiers...
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doubt that anyont uses them as a practical way of
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kit.  I wondered
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does.
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electrical power."
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nuclear power plants. Otherwise it will usually come from
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export renewable electricity to the grid, providing a
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another. If
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generation (typically) using solar power during the
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CO2 production, because coal fired generation
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missed
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hydrogen
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is
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not what they cost. Typically RECs are created,
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fibre, etc. etc.
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separate issue.
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important at high speed.
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be imposed to recover the petrol excise that's not
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direction.
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sticking 2 electrodes in rain water!  PERFECT!
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efficiency probably requires that it be done slowly. If
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then the extra voltage times the current is energy that
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on the road,
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economy.
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of the engine, and drive train, providing a saving in
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say on the matter.
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And yet dodgem cars have more collisions than real cars and
there is yet to be a single fatality!

I say we only allow 250cc engine Hydrogen dodgem cars on the road.
Intentional bumping will accrue a 5 minute power out.

Herc



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antenna, the answer is yes. Crystal radios have
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technology quiet.
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no signal for the receiver to receive.
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dependant resister.
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impact on your electricity bill, the answer is no. The
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is one reason no one uses a crytal radio for their
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single component
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amplifiers...
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strongly doubt that anyont uses them as a practical way of
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kit.  I wondered
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does.
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electrical power."
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nuclear power plants. Otherwise it will usually come from
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export renewable electricity to the grid, providing a
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another. If
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generation (typically) using solar power during the
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net CO2 production, because coal fired generation
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missed
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hydrogen
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that's
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requirement is
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daylight per day, you'll need 2kW from your solar
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pay, not what they cost. Typically RECs are created,
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there.
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carbon fibre, etc. etc.
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important at high speed.
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public
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people,
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direction.
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sticking 2 electrodes in rain water!  PERFECT!
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efficiency probably requires that it be done slowly. If
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then the extra voltage times the current is energy that
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on the road,
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economy.
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say on the matter.
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I'm not clear how that's relevant.

I wouldn't want to be so sure about the zero fatality figure, but I'll
concede that the fatility rate is probably very low. I have this vague
notion that this might be because dodgem cars don't move very quickly,
which would make them next to useless as a practical form of transport.

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I'm sure such a vehicle would easily go fast enough to allow fatal crashes.

Sylvia.



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antenna, the answer is yes. Crystal radios have
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technology quiet.
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no signal for the receiver to receive.
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dependant resister.
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impact on your electricity bill, the answer is no. The
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is one reason no one uses a crytal radio for their
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single component
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amplifiers...
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strongly doubt that anyont uses them as a practical way of
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kit.  I wondered
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it does.
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http://green.autoblog.com/2010/01/27/honda-unveils-new-solar-powered-hydrogen-generating-and-fueling /
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electrical power."
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nuclear power plants. Otherwise it will usually come
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export renewable electricity to the grid, providing a
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another.
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fired generation (typically) using solar power during
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net CO2 production, because coal fired generation
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missed
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hydrogen
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that's
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requirement is
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daylight per day, you'll need 2kW from your solar
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pay, not what they cost. Typically RECs are created,
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there.
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carbon fibre, etc. etc.
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important at high speed.
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public
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efficiency probably requires that it be done slowly. If
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then the extra voltage times the current is energy
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awkward on the road,
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that the fatility rate is probably very low. I have
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Say 80km/hr = 22 m/s.  Although for cities 50km/hr would suffice.

A 30 cm bumper

v^2 = 2as

484 = 0.6a
a = 800m/s/s

Impact = 80G.

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OK 100CC, top speed 50km/h, 50cm bumper.

14m/s

v^2 = 2as

200 = a

IMPACT = 20G.

PLUS 50cm give in the seat belt

IMPACT = 10G.

HUMAN CASUALITIES = 0.0

Herc




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single component
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electrical power."
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export renewable electricity to the grid, providing a
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another.
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fired generation (typically) using solar power during
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public
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awkward on the road,
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I strongly doubt that you can expect people always to survive a 10g[*]
impact where they're restrained by a seat belt. One broken rib is all it
takes to puncture a lung.

In any case, a seat belt doesn't give in a linear fashion, so the
deceleration would be much less than 10g initially, and much more
towards the end.

[*] Notation: The abbrevation is "g". G stands for the universal
gravitational constant.

Sylvia.

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off-peak electrical power."
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export renewable electricity to the grid, providing
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another.
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fired generation (typically) using solar power during
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missed
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hydrogen
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that's
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requirement is
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pay, not what they cost. Typically RECs are created,
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there.
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public
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then the extra voltage times the current is energy
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awkward on the road,
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quickly, which would make them next to useless as a
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constant.
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I'm surprised auto-drive is not at commercial levels for highway driving.

The white lines should be easy for a computer to identify, any unknown hazard
and you just slow to a stop and beep and flash the driver, speed would be
min (100km/hr, speed to keep 30 meters from ahead car).  Practically no
intersections
or turns.

I guess sitting behind the wheel doing nothing is boring on the highway, and
being a lot more difficult problem to solve in cities - it's somewhat practical
but
not desirable to only solve the easy half of the problem.

But robot cars will around long before Hydrogen / Electric cars take off, see
how safe they are and at what speeds their safety starts to drop.


Herc



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off-peak electrical power."
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can export renewable electricity to the grid, providing
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neutrality is one thing. Carbon neutrality is another.
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On a pristine road in good conditions, with disciplined other drivers,
and I dare say it's quite feasible to have an automatic vehicle.

Throw in unmaintained roads (including missing and altered lines), bad
weather, difficult lighting and idiots, and the task becomes a lot harder.

Reliability is also an issue. Producing something that goes wrong less
often than human beings do could be quite difficult. Humans have quite
good self-monitoring. Sudden failure with no warning is quite rare.

Sylvia.

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there'd be no signal for the receiver to receive.
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dependant resister.
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off-peak electrical power."
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Yeh plus the red tape, but while driving 1000s of kms last month it crossed
my mind it would not be much more difficult technically than cruise control,
veering left and right between the solid line on the left and dashed line on the
right,
but only on highways.  An alarm would solve most unforseen conditions for
a prototype alteast.  Not sure your human reliability argument is apt here.


Herc



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off-peak electrical power."
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quickly, which would make them next to useless as a
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crashes.
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gravitational constant.
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intersections
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weather, difficult lighting and idiots, and the task
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I'm drawing a distinction between making errors, and simply failing.
Anyone whose had much experience with electronic equipment (and these
days, that means all of us), will know that it has an unfortunate
tendency to stop working, abruptly, and with absolutely no warning.

Humans can do that, for example with strokes, and to a lesser extent,
heart attacks. But most of the time there is at least some warning which
gives a driver time to stop.

When the automatic control system on your vehicle fails, your knowledge
of that failure could be limited to the few seconds between the failure
and the moment you're obliterated by the truck coming the other way into
whose path you've strayed.

Even aircraft control systems, with multiple redundancy, and arguably a
rather easier task, still manage to fail in unexpected ways.
Fortunately, the crew have time to sort things out. A car driver won't
have that luxury.

Sylvia.

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there'd be no signal for the receiver to receive.
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dependant resister.
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measurable impact on your electricity bill, the answer is
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which is one reason no one uses a crytal radio for
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with a single component
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amplifiers...
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strongly doubt that anyont uses them as a practical
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generator kit.  I wondered
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apparently it does.
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http://green.autoblog.com/2010/01/27/honda-unveils-new-solar-powered-hydrogen-generating-and-fueling /
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off-peak electrical power."
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can export renewable electricity to the grid,
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and missed
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of hydrogen
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so that's
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of daylight per day, you'll need 2kW from your
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concede that the fatility rate is probably very low.
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quickly, which would make them next to useless as a
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gravitational constant.
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hazard
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intersections
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rare.
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tendency to stop working, abruptly, and with
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attacks. But most of the time there is at least some
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It's still 100X more reliable than a person prone to falling asleep, being
distracted.

A double redundancy independant system that detected unsafe driving could simply
make an alert.  Airplane cruise control must be 100X safer than 30 years ago.
NASA
probes use 3 independant computers and vote on what to do!


Herc



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This been a dumb argment amout a rubbish subject by a couple of trolls
How about you give up and stop repeating the whole thred every time you
mummble 2 words. >:|

--
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**I disagree. Self-driving autos are not far away (for highway conditions).
Multiple redundancy of control systems and power is easy enough. Redundancy
of servos is another problem. That said, a controlled shut down, in the
event of a servo fault is easy enough.


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mummble 2 words. >:|
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Or just a "beep" and "flash" to return to manual driving.

But there are problems even now, when my engine stalled last month I tried to
turn
into a street but the steering locked up aswell.  Not just loss of power
steering but
unable to move the wheel at all.  I rolled into the side street on the right
hand side
of the road and landed perfectly in a car park, facing the wrong way, under a
shady tree!

There was a petrol station, mechanic and motel 5 minutes walk away!

Herc



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You could just kill the thread instead of whining about it.

Or don't you know how to?

Sylvia.

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And *still* noone seems to be prepared to raise the matter of lifetime of
these PV systems. There may be a subsidy now, but after the rain gets in and
the setup fails, that subsidy may be gone. For the sorts of payback periods
I'm seeing reported, these things would have to last many years for the deal
to be viable across multiple replacement cycles.

The lifetime figures I see quoted for PV cells are all based on a dry, clean
environment. A rooftop is a much harsher deal.



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**Prices of PV panels are falling very rapidly indeed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-205w-evergreen-solar-panel-made-114-solar-cells-/160502918504?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255eb82d68

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/3-x-200-Watts-Solar-Power-Panel-Cells-600w-Total-/200535521000?pt=AU_Solar&hash=item2eb0d936e8

Of course, those prices do not include installation, regulators and other
bits and pieces. However, in a few years, the cost of the panels will be an
insignificant cost item. Figure on the cost of amorphous type cells to fall
to around 10% of the present price within a few years.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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If you put a coil of the right design for the frequency right next to
the transmitting antenna, you might then be able to extract a usable
amount of electrical energy, though its hardly practical and probably
illegal.

Start going further away from the transmitter and a thing called the
"square law" tends to rapidly eliminate any practical energy
collection



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I have heard of something similar where you have a giant (or large) fence
made of chook wire and an anode at the top & and a cathode bottom of one
end. Works best in a windy area, evidently the wind passing over the wire
causes electrons to flow and it is possible to charge a battery with it. The
obvious problems are
1. no wind
2. thunderstorms.
To prevent backflow a sparkplug was used as well the spark did the charging.
I did not pursue this line as I did not want to burn the place down. HTH

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Such things exist but the physics makes the situation such that unless
you have incredibly high energy levels around the genny you get out less
than goes in , it might be viable on the suns surface assuming you survive
Years ago in Luxenburg I saw a string of light glowing well while
unplugged iluminating a cafe' but thats because the local 100kw radio tx
was about 100 metres away

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