EnergyStar plugpacks

I just got a new Nokia mobile phone and it came with a switchmode mains charger plugpack as many of them do these days, but this one has an Energy Star label saying this adapter was energy star compliant for reduced consumption. This is the first time I've seen this on any plugpack, so I thought I'd test it out.

I got 0.12W on my energy meter with no phone connected. Compare that with 0.55W for my old Nokia transformer plugpack, and 0.55W for a (presumably non-energy star compliant) Motorola switchmode plugpack.

That's a big saving, especially when you multiply it by a few tens of millions of phones. Very nice indeed.

Dave.

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"David L. Jones"

** Bollocks - it is utterly SFA.

** Utter drivel.

Wot a incorrigible wanker you are - Jones.

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Obviously not an Australian ....

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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:56:28 -0700, "David L. Jones" put finger to keyboard and composed:

My charger sits in the drawer until I need it. That's 0.00W when no phone is connected. Furthermore, my phone doesn't have any unnecessary energy wasting features such as cameras and the like.

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Same here. :)

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Some Faulty Australian

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Michael A. Terrell

Much easier to simply switch the power point off, but then of course the wife complains that it "looks messy" :->

My new phone has more standby and talk battery life than my old phone monochrome Nokia, and it's got a 2MP camera, MP3 player and all the frills, and a ridiculously bright 2" screen. Amazing. But it's got like 3 different power saving and power down modes, haven't figured them all out yet, might have to RTFM to save some time!

Dave.

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Try finding a phone these days without a camera ;). Last time I looked at the local Telstra shop, (over a year ago) even the cheapest models all had cameras.

Will have to face up to this in the new year, as my current CDMA will be useless, and will be forced to upgrade to a next G phone with all these fancy features. from what I hear, as a bonus, the coverage will be sub-standard outside major cities, but hey, look on the bright side, in addition to the cameras, MP3 Players, FM radio, etc etc we will also have fancy "must have" features like pay TV and "mobile internet at broadband speed " that I, and most people would never use, and wouldn't pay typically excessive access fees for. What happened to the people (surely a significant number) who just want a phone that they can use reliably ?

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** Fuck off - autistic pedant fool.

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** Wonder wot this insufferably pompous cretin imagines ASD stands for - eh ?

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"David L. Jones"

** Wot a incorrigible wanker you are - Jones.
** Best stick the POS in that blender you were on about recently.

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I'll be keeping my old anti-ROHS lead based solidly constructed phone for canyoning and other adventure stuff. I think it will survive being thrown down 10m waterfalls much better than the new one.

Dave.

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David L. Jones

We're still hanging onto our dinosaur 2001 model basic Nokia GSM phones and hoping that batteries will continue to be available for them for a long time. Even if they're not fashionable...

Bob

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:01:37 +1000, Bob Parker put finger to keyboard and composed:

I wonder if the new plugpack is plug and voltage compatible with the older ones? Does the phone even use the same battery as the older models, or does it just use the same cells in an incompatible package?

Call me a cynic, but if the phone manufacturers want to be really green, then they should supply standardised accessories at a price that would make retaining the phone an economical option. As it is now, the only reason I still don't use my old Ericsson is that a replacement battery costs almost as much as a new phone, assuming you can find one that hasn't expired on the shelf.

BTW, I wonder if the energy used in manufacturing these EnergyStar plugpacks is actually offset by the power savings during the life of the unit. I also wonder how power factor affects the VA as opposed to the wattage, and I wonder whether this has been considered when awarding EnergyStar ratings.

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One of my mates had to stop using his old Ericsson phone because of battery unavailability. Now he uses a Nokia 3310 he found dumped during a council cleanup. I saw an item on the ABC news not that long ago which said that the typical life of a mobile phone in Australia is only 18 months before it gets replaced by the latest model with more gadgets. It's hard not to be cynical!

Bob

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Yes.

The Nokia's have a reasonable amount of compatibility among models, but there are quite a number of different batteries used in the range. Almost certainly necessary because of physical and other design differences between models.

I lot of portable gear like mobile phones, in-car GPS units, and handheld GPS units can now be recharged from the USB port, this means you only need one type of charger either in the car or at home. Expect this to become much more standard in the comming years I suspect.

That question is almost impossible to answer with any authority on any product. But a well designed energy-star switchmode plugpack probably requires no more "energy" to manufacture than a standard switchmode plugpack that takes 5 times the power. Just from an engineering elegance point of view alone it's worth doing.

Dave.

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David L. Jones

In my case, GSM is useless in most of the areas I work in. Got to use CDMA, in about 4 months the network is scheduled to close:(

probably have to go to Next G (replacement for CDMA that telstra is pushing), but colleagues who already have used it are less than impressed with coverage, dropouts etc.

maybe it would be easier to make people call when im at home in evenings etc ;)

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GSM's useless in lots of places outside the cities. From what I'm told, CDMA gives pretty good coverage in most areas of the bush as well as the metro areas. After investing in that network not that many years ago, now they plan to scrap it and replace it with something which is no better and quite likely not as good for simple voice communication. Sorta makes me think of the old "Yes, Minister" TV series. :(

Bob

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