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Yep, just checked that out.
Also, there was already such a device reported to the ACCC:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952221/fromItemId/142


"Federal Court declares consumers misled over Power Saver device

Auscha Corporation Pty Ltd and its former marketing manager Nagarajah
Rajkumar made misleading claims about the power-saving ability of its
Enersonic Power Saver device, the Federal Court has found.

In 2008 and 2009, Auscha marketed and sold the Power Saver, a device
which plugs into a standard electricity outlet and which was purportedly
designed to reduce the user's electricity consumption.

In court proceedings instituted in July 2010, the Australian Competition
and Consumer Commission alleged that Auscha had made a number of false
or misleading representations about the Power Saver in breach of the
Trade Practices Act 1974.

The ACCC's case centred on the fact that the Power Saver, a power factor
correction capacitor, does not actually reduce the real electrical power
consumed by a domestic user. Retail electricity suppliers generally only
charge domestic consumers for their use of real electrical power (also
known as active power), as recorded by domestic electricity meters. As
the Power Saver is not capable of reducing the amount of real electrical
power consumed by domestic consumers, domestic consumers cannot save
money by using the Power Saver.

The court declared by consent that Auscha contravened sections 52 and
53(c) of the Act, by representing in promotional material to customers
that :

     * by using the Power Saver, domestic consumers could save up to 24%
on their electrical power consumption
     * by using the Power Saver and saving on their electrical power
consumption, domestic consumers would thereby save money, and
     * the Power Saver was designed and engineered in Australia,

when in fact:

     * the Power Saver was not capable of reducing the amount of
electrical power consumed by domestic consumers as measured by retail
electricity suppliers, and therefore domestic consumers could not save
up to 24% on their electrical power consumption by using the Power Saver
     * use of the Power Saver could not lead to domestic consumers
saving on their electrical power consumption as measured by retail
electricity suppliers, and therefore domestic consumers could not save
money by using the Power Saver, and
     * the Power Saver was not designed and engineered in Australia.

The court also declared by consent that Mr Rajkumar was knowingly
concerned in each of the contraventions.

Furthermore, the court issued injunctions restraining Auscha and Mr
Rajkumar from engaging in similar conduct in the future and made orders
that Auscha:

     * publish a corrective notice on its website (www.auscha.com.au)
     * send a letter to customers affected by the conduct, and
     * pay a contribution towards the ACCC's court costs.

Earlier this month the ACCC accepted a court enforceable undertaking
from Bronze Swan Pty Ltd, a reseller of the Power Saver, in relation to
similar misrepresentations made by Bronze Swan about the Power Saver device.

ACCC Chairman Graeme Samuel said today: "These actions demonstrate the
ACCC's concern to ensure that consumers are not misled into believing
that products will save them money on energy costs when this is untrue.
Suppliers of these types of devices are on notice that the ACCC is on
the look-out for those who want to make spurious energy saving claims
and should take immediate steps to review their marketing material or
they may face similar action."

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"Tom"
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** No Australian approval for permanent connection to the AC supply - so no
electrician can install one legally nor you.


.....  Phil



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"alternative engineering that are not currently taught in the accepted
universities. "

Oh no! They aren't letting on about those secret orgones are they! There
goes all the free energy :)


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I was suspicious the minute I saw the mains input. For a second
there I thought it might be a solar panel/wind generator controller. :)

"Panacea university". LOL.

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If it does reduce the current used by an appliance, it will also
reduce its efficiency at what it does,
and it will likely have to be used longer to get the same result,
negating any "savings".
(Ie if you reduce the energy available to your fridge, it will have to
run longer to maintain the same temperature.)

Excepting maybe incandescent bulbs - if you are happy to put up with
the reduced brightness - but it would be cheaper to use a dimmer, or a
lower wattage bulb.



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Many of which are caused by other factors - including ageing.
Would be easy enough to prove by testing for these things in countries
that have limited or
no electricity -  though
under such conditions you would probably find other nastier diseases
and hunger related issues.


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Well, it's not reducing the current used by the appliance, it's merely
correcting the power factor, which necessarily reduces the current
upstream of the correction circuit (otherwise energy would not be
conserved). That is, the currents upstream and downstream of the device
are different.

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It won't do anything when loads are resistive.

Power factor correction is worthwhile when considered from the
perspective of the overall system. But as things stand, a consumer who
installed one would pay the cost of the device, but the benefits would
accrue to the power supplier in the form of reduced infrastructure
requirement and lower resistive losses in supply cables.

Sylvia.

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"kreed"

If it does reduce the current used by an appliance, it will also
reduce its efficiency at what it does,

** Simple capacitor based PFC correction has  NO effect on the current
flowing in the actual device  -  how can it since the device is still
connected directly to the AC supply ??

Think about it.



....  Phil



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ummmmmmmm theres  a afwul  lot of       THEORY,, floating around here on
that device , has any one actually tried it ??    any body knows that what
happens in  THEORY DOESNT ALWAYS HAPPEN  AS ITS SUPPOSED TO..



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It's true that sometimes factors that one had overlooked, or considered
negligible, turn out to impact on the outcome. In that sense the
particular theoretical model applied didn't predict the outcome as it
was expected.

Very occasionally, the laws of physics as presently understood turn out
to be not quite right, and have to be tweaked. It's been a while since
that happened, and it would be truly amazing if the tweaking had any
measurable effect in a domestic environment.

It's also true that the proof of the pudding is in the eating, but we
know that there are any number of people out there who are willing to
relieve naive consumers off their hard earned money in exchange for
misrepresented junk. Absent a theoretical model (which the purveyors of
this device haven't provided) which predicts a power saving, there's
really little point in putting it to the test, because we know what the
outcome will be.

Sylvia.
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Shame they didn't try this first

http://www.google.com.au/#q=power+saving+scam

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lol

They'd have no more stories:)

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"TonyS"

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**  Have a look at the ACA web site -  they did a very similar story on the
same night.

Wonder how THAT happens so often ....

Anyhow,  the feedback is almost all VERY  NEGATIVE  and even abusive.

Not happy Jan .....



.....  Phil



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It is bollocks. Where I live, domestic users are billed for real watts
used.
The power factor doesn't cost you more. However, industrial users do get
penalties for low power factors.

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