Australia: wireless broadband for east coast 40-70Mbps speeds within 18 months.

has no plans for resellers

wireless broadband system and aims to offer east

standard that is a newer version of LTE, which

in Sydney, demonstrating peak download speeds

telcos with ARN's mobility newsletter ]

xpect download speeds of 40-70Mbps, upload

If you take a look at IINET plans for Tas NBN, they are a joke, still have small download limits and about the same cost as an ADSL plan.

Yes, I must be missing something with the NBN juggernaut.

here is my current service speed results: ============================

Last Result: Download Speed: 19062 kbps (2382.8 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 489 kbps (61.1 KB/sec transfer rate) Latency: 12 ms Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:23:43 AM ============================

I can get super speed broadband pack added, for an extra $20 a month.

"The Optus Premium Speed Pack upgrades your broadband connection to Optus' fastest DOCSIS 3.0-based internet service which increases download speeds by up to 4 times faster than regular cable broadband when downloading most Australian hosted content and popular overseas content."

OK, I can NOW, YES NOW get possibly 4 times the speed for an extra $20 a month, but I don't want it or need it, and I am running a business.

I have my own doubts about cloud computing and security, and I don't wish to head in that direction. Leave all my data and apps with someone else? Expect that someone else will have a 100% up time? To me it is just another chain in the link that I don't need. I know many will disagree with me of course. I do like the cloud idea in principle.

So do we pay 40-ish gazillion bucks for an entertainment system, that my grand children will have to pay for? I have my doubts that it will deliver what it promises.

I know there are many angles to this argument, and the rural areas certainly need something a lot better than they have now. This is just my own personal view on the NBN juggernaut.

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kreed wrote

And all the problems you get with any shared bandwith system.

Thats just with the pathetically small number of places that bother with the NBN.

Doesnt say anything useful about what will be the case with real reseller competition and when the wholesale cost of the NBN in known.

So what are you paying now for a 19 Mbps service ? What else do you get ?

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month, but I don't want it or need it, and I am

to head in that direction. Leave all my data

time? To me it is just another chain in the

like the cloud idea in principle.

grand children will have to pay for? I have my

nly need something a lot better than they have

We are able to only get ADSL 1 competitively, but there are no plans that are worth considering if you go over 512k.

With ADSL 2 - you have to go through Telstra only, which means high costs, small download limits etc. The resellers offerings are not much better. This also means no naked ADSL etc.

What this means is that the technology is already available and installed, its being monopolised by Australia's worst internet provider.

Legislation along the lines of allowing competition and access could fix this problem, and give adequate speeds at little cost to the public.

I doubt that there are a large number of areas left that have no net access, or very slow speeds (for technical - not monopoly reasons), and the cost of fixing them up would surely be miniscule compared to the forced NBN for everyone ?

Another question, we have seen what happened in Egypt with the entire net being shut off by their totalitarian government.

How do we know that the NBN is not designed to allow this to happen more easily than it might be now - or how it might be more "censorship ready" than the exisiting system. Everything could be routed through a central point, making it easy to inspect every "message" and ccensor.,

'yes' Fusion $99 bundle, covers all Australian phone calls and Australian GSM calls, plus 20gig a month data.

However I see they now have it advertised for 500gig a month, but I never use close to 20, so I haven't chased it up. There may be other items in the fine print that may alter the deal for me. I think they make it only optus GSM calls free.

So for me, why fix if it ain't broken?

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kreed wrote

Bet it does. Pity about the price tho.

That last is a lie.

Many find that ADSL1 speeds are adequate and dont bother to pay for the highest ADSL1 speed available.

There are none when you include satellite.

Yep.

Doesnt happen in the first world.

Pity that that is illegal.

Pity you're an idiot. In case you hadn't noticed, laws can be changed.

BTW, since when were the NSW Police granted the power to tap phones without a warrant?

"Bikie gangs and organised crime groups are believed to have foiled police attempts to tap their phones by importing untraceable, encrypted BlackBerrys from Mexico.

The telecommunications black hole exploited by the Comanchero gang and drug cartels has come to light after countries around the world - worried about terrorism and national security - threatened to ban BlackBerrys unless they were given the codes to break the encryption on emails and messages".

And since when was drug dealing a "terrorism" or "national security" issue?

calls, plus 20gig a month data.

close to 20, so I haven't chased it up. There may be

make it only optus GSM calls free.

Over here (Germany) the 'up to 32Mbit/s' cable costs 20 Euro/month for the first year, then 30 Euro, including Germany phone calls but no GSM. The 'up to 100 Mbit/s' cable strangely enough also costs 20 Euro/month for the first year, then 40 Euro. The 6 Mbit/s cable service costs 18 Euro/month then 25 Euro. So they are definitely trying to get you to sign up for 100 Mbit/s.

What I don't understand is how the cable will cope if a lot of people switch over, since it is already carrying stacks of analog and digital TV and radio stations. We have cable TV (no terrestrial or satellite) and several times a year something goes wrong and you lose all channels for a while

- I assume the cable Internet would also go down when this happens ? At least with DSL/VDSL you get your own copper back to the local exchange.

B J Foster wrote

easily than it might be now - or how it

could be routed through a central point,

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that Labor is fresh out of magic wands to wave on that with the current parliament, even after the Senate detail changes.

warrant?

Quite some time ago now with drug crime in particular, fool.

attempts to tap their phones by importing

Just because some fool journo claims something, doesnt make it gospel, cretin.

cartels has come to light after countries

to ban BlackBerrys unless they were

Just because some fool journo claims something, doesnt make it gospel, cretin.

Who said it was ?

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This is true for most country areas and quite a few metro areas, although in a lot of areas there are ADSL2 alternates: Optus (90% pop coverage), iinet, AAPT and various other small providers.

Actually there are quite a lot of areas where ADSL isn't available, even in metro areas. What we find is that there are hotspots in metro areas where line lengths/quality/availability is such that ADSL services are simply not available to customers.

The basic problem stems from the age of the copper network and decisions made in the '80s and '90s when there was a explosion in line installations to more effectively get lines to houses. At the time innovative solutions were implemented to get bulk lines into areas cost effectively and quickly, which unfortunately do not work well with 3rd party equipment deployment (RIMs, sub-exchanges & pair-gain systems)

The existence of this equipment means that there are large areas where the only provider who has access to the customer line is tel$tra & therefore there is little flexibility on cost & services.

Unfortunately to access the Telstra wholesale network is expensive & frankly quite difficult to manage and it doesn't seem like telstra are trying to make it any easier.

The other main issue is the copper itself. All providers are held to ransom by the aging copper network that nobody has any incentive to repair or upgrade (Imagine Telstra's shareholders enjoying Telstra spending money con the copper network that other providers have access to).

Bad quality copper from the exchange, in customer premises and copper runs that are simply too long also create for ADSL services. I live in Willetton, WA which is only 10 minutes drive from the CBD (on a good night :) and my lines are 5KM long, which means I get at best about 4.2 Mbits. Most people living in country areas, in smaller towns without an exchange or farms will be well outside the distance range of ADSL.

Wireless technologies attempt to fill these gaps, however those hotspots of ADSL death tend to have a lot of 3G subscribers and the performance is abysmal due to over-subscription. Cell providers could install more cells, however they have a financial incentive to run them over-subscribed so don't tend to.

Satellite is okay for basic internet access, however the latency is agony and a serious user will change to *anything* else once it becomes available.

Wireless will continue to provide a good medium for light weight applications, such as smart phones an light browsing, however simple maths tells us that we will always keep saturating busy areas and it's unlikely we'll be able to transport high bandwidth applications such as TV over it at any scale.

The advantages of the NBN is that we get an upgrade & infrastructure that isn't under control of the major AU Telco monopoly, it can carry a *lot* more bandwidth and therefore support more applications, which in turn means that total telco costs will go down (or profits will go up).

I can see the NBN causing more ISPs to go out of business due to the large connection costs and the industry in AU shrinking to a handful of players, which won't help competition too much.

Definitely, although the copper network does have some inherent limitations, besides fibre is sooo much cooler :)

Heh. The yanks will get a nasty surprise the first time they throw that switch.

Bruce