Appliance lead

What's wrong with putting in a GPO?

Nothing as far as I'm concerned. Except you need a license to install a GPO. This way, Make an entry through the Gyprock and drop the lead down to the skirting GPO and plug it in there. All nicely hidden out of the way and the set is flush with the wall.

Not legal unless you are licensed best I know

If the holes are big enough to pass the plug through without disconnection and the lead was left intact you would get away with it.

getting away and legal aint the same k?

In that case it's easy, just use an extension cord.

"Noodnik"

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Totally off with the pixies.

.... Phil

Quite right. The fact is these sets will be installed in a public area, so all has to be correct and neat. I may cut the plug off and put a Canon on, and get hard wired Canon sockets installed on their own circuit. Should hide nicely behind the units.

"Jimjam"

** WHAAAAAAAATTTTT ?????????????????? ** Fraid you have a BIG problem there - pal.

Cannon connectors ( aka XLRs or the obsolete XLR-LNEs ) are NOT approved mains connectors !!!!

The XLR-LNE ( aka Cannon mains) connectors were *withdrawn from the market* about 20 years ago on safety grounds and in any case were ** NEVER

** allowed to be installed on a wall in lieu of a GPO.

What you are suggesting is 100% NUTS and 100 % ILLEGAL !!!!

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BTW:

Do not come back telling me that you can use the Neutrik "PowerCon" ither - as that connector is just as illegal as the old Cannon LNEs for the purpose you are suggesting.

.... Phil

If (for legal reasons) you don't want to remove the plug and re-attach it, you could cut suitable holes to fit the entire plug through, go and buy a blank wall plate, file a notch in the side of it for the cord to feed through, and then screw it over the hole to cover it.

We have done this before when running things with large plugs on ends like VGA cables, where you definitely DONT want to cut the end off and re-join. I have seen somewhere where you can buy a special wall plate with a more neat looking hood moulded into it for this exact purpose (maybe Farnell) ?

Finally, if there is excess cable, dont let it pile up in the bottom of the wall cavity, this could lead to overheating at maximum load. (possible if running a 2400w heater etc). You might be better off getting a cord made with 15 / 20A cable if this is going to happen as the cavity/cord would surely be hotter due to no free air circulation/ less air volume than the room.

Note that standard white household extension cords at woolies etc are typically 0.7s mm sq whereas the cable electricians use in 10A power circuits is typically 2.5mm sq (nearly 400% increase in conductor cross sectional surface area.). This sort of cable would probably not even raise a sweat at 10a load

At the end of the day, I have a feeling that what you propose is not legal (in QLD), probably for this reason alone (risk of overheating cables).

Ironically putting in a DIY GPO would probably be less risk legally (If you know what you are doing) , as no-one "official" would notice it if done neatly where the extension cord would stand out like the proverbial dog balls.

"kreed"

Note that standard white household extension cords at woolies etc are typically 0.7s mm sq

** Only ones I see are all using 1 sqmm of copper per conductor - which works out at 3.6 watts of heat per meter at 10 amps.

Such cables only get slightly warm under 10 amp loads (long as they are not coiled up tightly).

At the end of the day, I have a feeling that what you propose is not legal (in QLD), probably for this reason alone (risk of overheating cables).

** Nonsense.

Standard extension leads are very safe to use with any appliance up to 10 amps and are adequately protected from risk of catching fire by the usual 15 amp breaker in the power box.

.... Phil

That makes it a fixed cable do you have a cablers permit or a sparkys ?

Certainly illegal for you to do unless a sparky in your state

I have seen somewhere where you can buy a special wall plate

bad advice and possible liable

wrong

As said it aint legal unless run down the outer wall

more bad comment you really want to get sued ?

Believe it or not, they're still frequently used by the "I know better than you" brigade.

I've seen the audio spec cannon plugs and sockets used for mains too, though I hadn't seen the real mains spec cannon plugs for a long time. Though from you say, that would explain why.

I wouldn't use them myself, mainly because both tended to either go bang, or make the operator go bang.

Though, person in question magically becomes immune to these problems because "they know better than I do".

Darwin knows how it works.

Keep your hair on. I was being sarcastic and wouldn't dream of dream of doing that.

We have in fact come up with an idea. Completely legal. Plus the whole thing is hidden. It is indeed a concealed hard wired GPO mounted behind a sliding plate along with the other communication sockets required on a plate. Access is through a slot on the bottom of the sliding plate. Just slide the plate and voila. Very simple and low cost to make. We have had this checked out to day by a licensed contractor, who will do the install. Cost ? About $ 105 ea. Should go into business All is fine. Thanks for all your comments.

** Bollocks.

Such use is EXTREMELY rare - only heard of ONE example in 40 years.

Some IDIOT used an XLR to supply mains power to an amp rack.

The inevitable disaster happened.

Story came from Nik Kay at Etone in the early 1980s.

.... Phil

"Jimjam"

** I do NOT believe you.

That was a ASININE thing to post here and you deserve a GIANT boot up the arse for doing it.

All you are is another time wasting, stupid PITA troll.

Bugger off.

... Phil

Where did you come up with the idea that 15 amp breakers are usual? Apart from the simple fact that 15A breakers are very uncommon (16A is standard), most power circuits in a modern would be protected by a 20A breaker.

David

"David the Pedantic Jerk "

** One miserable amp between friends is but nothing ...

** Just had a peek at the fuse panel here - 15 units and a house circuit.

Found the following:

15 x 8 amp ceramic fuses for lighting. 1 x 8 amp circuit breaker for same. 11 x 15 amp ceramic fuses for power circuits. 4 x 16 amp circuit breakers for same. 1 x 20 amp circuit breaker for same.

Not that any of this makes one tiny bit of difference to what I posted above.

Pedants are like rust -

both never sleep ......

.... Phil

Point proved. No "usual 15 amp breaker" in sight.

There is a HUGE difference between a rewireable ceramic fuse and a circuit breaker. The old ceramic rewireable fuses are not even permitted under the current wiring rules.

David