Anti-gun lobby displaying it's ignorance again.

None. I'm beginning to suspect that 'John-Melb' is in fact another 'anti-gun zealot' in disguise. He's certainly having the desired effect, if that's his real motive.

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Yep, but he isn't, he's spreading his assertions on aus.electronics. We're arguing with Trevor on aus.electronic BECAUSE he is posting his anti-gun garbage on aus.electronics.

Have you said the same thing to Trevor about his comments regarding American gun dealers, DGU's and "psychopaths in the talk.politics.guns group ", if not, why not?

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Interesting question Tom, I guess they aren't having a dig at Trevor because they agree with him? As you said, active combatants.

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Almost sounds like a threat, I'm sure if we can put up with adds for Chinese sneakers, we can put up with the likes of you.

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Then it mustn't have come up about **Trevor's belief that obtaining or possessing inanimate objects like Electronic smoke alarms, Electronic fire control systems or fire extinguishers means you are a pyromaniac in self denial and want to start fires.

You don't have an electronic smoke alarm unless you intend to use it.

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Alright, I'll do a deal with you. Wanker Wilson used aus.electronics as a forum to launch an attack on guns and gun owners, as he had previously done on both rec.audio.opinion and aus.hi-fi. The material posted in response to this demonstrates that Wilson often tells porkies about firearms related matters and the anti-gun lobby in general often it wrong. If you're prepared to tell Wilson to keep his his anti-gun rethoric off aus.electronics, I'm prepared to walk away.

If Wilson continues to use aus.electronics as a vehicle to launch his anti-gun tirades, all bets are off.

So, it's OK for an anti-gun zealot like Wilson to makes his remarks about guns and gun owners on aus.electronics, but the alternaie view is not welcome. I don't think I've cost The Shooter's Party any votes at all, you're minds were made up well before Wilson posted his "normal people" rant. Responding to anti-gun zealots is never futile, and as for posting in a forum where the anti view is welcomed but the pro view is not, again, highlighting prejudice is always worthwhile.

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Assuming that it's true, how is that the fault of every other aus.electronics poster? What did we do to deserve being bombarded with massively off-topic xposts?

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Oh please. He's just making an analogy.

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It is true, if you don't believe me, go check, Or I can paste it to aus.electronics if you wish, however, I'm guessing you don't want me to do that.

Others on aus.electronics are not responsible for what Wilson posts, however, as Wilson choose to use aus.electronics as a vehicle to launch his regular anti-gun tirades, then surely others have the right to reply on the same forum? Without those replies, people's opinions on this subject are formed solely on the rants of this zealot, rather than hearing both sides of this debate.

Where other posters on aus.electronics are at fault, is that they're quite happy to have Wilson post his off topic, anti-gun rants here, but object strongly when an alternative opinion is posted. That one sided view of what consitutes reasonable or on topic posts on aus.electronics leads those who have observed or been invloved in the gun debate for some time to see this as unfair. There's no point arguing with those who are quite happy to see anti-gun posts on aus.electronics, but object when a pro-gun (for want of a better term) post appears, they've already formed their view on the gun "debate" and as I previously stated, are active combatants in what John Crook described as "the Australian Gun War"

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Hell no. If someone in one of the gun groups decided to mouth off about something relating to electronics, would you want us to drown the gun groups in tirades against that person? At the very least, I doubt that you'd be interested in the resulting thread.

You clearly have a low opinions of peoples' ability to make up their own minds.

That's a big assumption. Speaking for myself - & probably many others in aus.electronics - I skipped over the Taser thread because I'm profoundly uninterested in the pro/anti gun debate. Yes, I have my opinions on the topic, but they're not on the pro or anti side, & they're totally off-topic for aus.electronics. In the unlikely event that I develop an interest in either side of the debate, I'll sub to one of the relevent newsgroups.

You're missing the point, which is that, IMHO, most of the posters here either couldn't care less about the issue, or simply aren't interested in arguing about it.

In summary; the guy xposting stuff between here & the gun groups is being a d*****ad, & you won't score any points with anyone by being just as big a d*****ad.

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That's just a silly strawman. Without taking a view on the claim that all gun owners are putative serial killers, the structure of the analogy is 180 deg away from the gun claim.

Obviously.

I have smoke alarms and I hope they will operate if a fire starts. There is a fire extinguisher in my classroom. It is tested every year by a professional. I will use it if the need arises.

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You are mistaken adducing this as evidence of x-posting to aus.electronics by Trevor Wilson, John.

This campe from a topic [Stun Guns] started in aus.tv by one of their trolls: "Gordon Lightfoot". It was x-posted to aus.electronics by Sylvia Else. All replies then (including that by Trevor with the passage you cite) carried this as follow up.

I haven't bothered to see if there are indeed instances in which Trevor has x-posted to aus.electronics on the topic of guns, but this above claim is refuted as an instantiation of the proposition.

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Hello Fran,

I haven't heard from you in a long time, how have you been? I sincerely hope you and yours are doing well.

On this, Dear Lady, you and I must agree to disagree, Trevor did post it there because I read it there.

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We are all doing well. Thanks.

That is acknowledged in the answer above. The quesiton is: Did he x- post to aus.electronics or merely follow the follow-up set by somebody else (pun intended)?

I know that from time to time, my posts go to groups I wasn't considering when I posted, simply because I've answered them in aus.politics (as is the case here) without trimming the follow-ups.

One poster in aus.politcs likes to x-post to aus.flame and on each occasion I notice, I trim it, but some slip through.

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Ok there are a couple of problems right here.

  1. Your assumption that the subscribers of aus.electronics are "quite happy to have Wilson post his off topic, anti-gun rants here".

If they were encouraging him, you might have a point, but as far as I can tell, they haven't. They are ignoring him on this topic just as one ignores spam about sex services and cheap deals on herbal medications or sunglasses or other off-topic stuff that appears in groups that we read.

It's not surprising that they object to someone posting an "alternative opinion" because they weren't interested in the original opinion and now the person posting off-topic has someone with which to continue posting off-topic. Your inference that this goes to content is unjustified.

  1. If you really believed that Trevor was being encouraged to post his "off topic, anti-gun rants here" and that the responses to you were driven by political sympathy for the gun control position, you might well wonder why

a) these people would be interested in the other side of the debate. If they really are hostile, what's the point of posting? Surely they will already be aware of the pro-gun claims and have rejected them on one ground or another.

b) Why wouldn't they appear in gun discussion groups and take it up there?

Your justification seems to be that people in aus.electronics are guilty of being insufficiently rude to Trevor and accordingly, you mean to punish them for "giving aid and comfort" to him by posting your screeds to aus.electronics. In short, it's not about debate. It's about getting even with Trevor and anyone who tolerates him because you don't like him or his ideas.

This reflects rather poorly on you.

Fran

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No, it happened just the way Fran said it did. You are the only person who has posted (two) new threads to aus.electronics about guns, hence the complaints. Trevor has never posted directly to aus.electronics about guns. Sylvia is the original cuplit here, but seeing as that the "Stun gun" thread at the time actually had something to do with electronics, the cross-post was understandable.

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Fran, I hope you don't mind if I respond.

The encouragement comes from attacking the counter point, Trevor now knows that he can post whatever anti-gun rants he likes on aus.electronics, and others posting there will neither challenge or question him, however anybody posting an alternative viewpoint will be hounded by all those "not interested" ones.

Really? other than content, what difference in the differing posts?

Looking at the apparent depth of feeling expressed, I think that decision was made long before any of this started.

No Fran, it's about debate, Trevor's opinions, despite being off topic are welcome there, any differing opinion, is not.

Perhaps it does, but considering the vilifiation I've received over the last decade or so, it is a learned response.

Regards

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Count me on that one too, Tom.

I agree with that too!

Dammit Tom, so being so bloody reasonable!

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Yep, sure it did.

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Trevor's "psychopath" remarks about TPG posters appeared on aus.electronics - you people said nothing

Trevor's "normal people" remarks about TPG posters appeared on aus.electronics - you people said nothing

Trevor's claims about gun dealers using gunshows to avoid compliance with GCA-68 appeared on aus.electronics - you people said nothing.

Trevor's totally irrelevant remarks about DGU's, for which he's been shown a fool so many times on gun related groups, appeared on aus.electronics - you people said nothing.

As soon as "Trevor Tosspot's Porky List" appears, you people begin ranting about O/T posts.

Clearly, you minds were well and truely made up a very long time ago.

Tom and I have given you an "out", tell Trevor his anti- gun rants aren't welcome on aus.electronics, treat him exactly the same way you've treated other posting on the same subject.

I don't recon you're capable of doing it.

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Feel free.

Yep, and since I know how to work my filters.....

How can you make up your mind unless you are also told the truth?

Anyway, Trevor chose the battleground. I suggest you take it up with him.

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